What has made Gransnet angry this week?

The sad glitches club

Virtual Signalling by the holier than thou posters, seems to be a competition happening this week?

Being told we should "protect the NHS". Obviously we should only use it when we need to (no time-wasters in A&E etc.), but the NHS was set up to care for us from cradle to grave. If it can't cope, then funding and/or re-organisation should be put in place. I am not arguing with the initial call to 'protect' it, given that Covid took everyone by surprise, but now, when cases in hospital are dropping, is the time to look again at why it needs 'protecting.' That's not to put down anyone who works in the NHS - it's not their fault and I know they are working incredibly hard, but it's becoming somehow our fault if we use the NHS ... isn't it?
Hopefully when we either get rid of Covid or, more likely, live with it, those in power will at least attempt to sort the NHS properly, so it can cope with all but the totally unexpected.

Doctors, nurses, teachers, lorry drivers, fruit pickers. So many talented and decent people sitting in what amounts to internment camps waiting years in limbo.
Why aren’t we investing in speeding up their applications, offering them a better life and in return being thankful for what they have to offer us.

Grammaretto

"Asda charters cargo ship with festive items amid supply chain crisis
Ship carrying 350 containers with toys, clothing and decorations is supermarket’s first ever private charter"

"This headline in the Guardian made me cross and sad.

Why so soon after COP26 can't we people understand there is a climate crisis, that we don't need to buy billions of turkeys or plastic toys? Can't we for once slim down our overindulgence and find something else to do to make a happy Christmas?

You’re quite right, we don’t need over excess. The thing is Asda need to make money, lots of it. Hence this ridiculous fiasco.

The posturing of governments on both sides of the English Channel, while seemingly completely disregarding the plight of desperate people. The failure to target and catch the real criminals, the people smugglers who perpetuate this.

That should have "no idea" before "what is happening". My laptop it seems is eating words!

GagaJo

Thank you Elegran.

I have friends that were/are asylum seekers. They have been in temporary accommodation for FOURTEEN years. We're talking 4 people in a 1 bedroom flat. Their children are living in this flat with them, in an area that I don't feel safe being in after dark.

They can't work. Their income is tiny BUT they don't ever complain. The only time I've heard them be unhappy is because their now 19 year old daughter can't go to university yet, because their case is still open and she isn't eligible for a student loan with their current visa status.

The mum, a qualified teacher in her country, volunteers at the younger child's school. The daughter is very academic. They're an all round, lovely family. They fled religious persecution in their own country and know that they will never be able to see the rest of their family again.

Great post Gagajo one of the things I didn't realise until I listened to an asylum seeker speak is that they often have what is happening to their application, and they live in a sort of limbo, where they can't plan a future or earn a living, and the threat of being returned to the country they have fled hangs over them, sometimes for years. They want to work, they want to contribute but they are denied the right.

That’s very sad GJ. How on earth can things take so long?

I felt she’d conned us Riverwalk, having had 40 pages’ worth of advice already which people on GN then took time and trouble to duplicate, posing as a coy and naive person here and calling the boyfriend a ‘fuc*ing twa*’ on MN.

Nothing makes me angry, frustrated sometimes but I'm a very patient person and anger doesn't really help anything

TillyTrotter

Unwanted “spoiler” results being hinted at on our ‘Strictly, yay” (Come Dancing) thread.

I agree Tillytrotter, I was cross about that too and even reported it to no avail.
Do excuse me if this is considered "first world anger."

Thank you Elegran.

I have friends that were/are asylum seekers. They have been in temporary accommodation for FOURTEEN years. We're talking 4 people in a 1 bedroom flat. Their children are living in this flat with them, in an area that I don't feel safe being in after dark.

They can't work. Their income is tiny BUT they don't ever complain. The only time I've heard them be unhappy is because their now 19 year old daughter can't go to university yet, because their case is still open and she isn't eligible for a student loan with their current visa status.

The mum, a qualified teacher in her country, volunteers at the younger child's school. The daughter is very academic. They're an all round, lovely family. They fled religious persecution in their own country and know that they will never be able to see the rest of their family again.

Anything wrong with effing and blinding, or not being?

Maybe the OP felt she could eff & blind on MN, whereas here on GN, there's a need for a bit of delicacy at times!

Why would it make you angry?

I am a bit different on here than I am on MN, I swear on MN I dont generally swear here. I wouldnt bother seeking advice on both sites though.

To get back to the question in the OP, I have obviously had a very angry week as I was pretty cheesed off with the poster who wanted advice after her boyfriend had ‘accidentally’ taken her keys. Lots of posters gave advice and sympathy and then one found out she’d already been on MN for advice (a 40 page thread). I had a look and she presented a completely different persona to the one she has shown us over a number of threads, effing and blinding. I like to think people on GN, apart from the obvious trolls, are who they say they are. Silly me.

Excellent post Elegran. It would be so nice if posters actually read it !

Illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers are not entitled to, and do not get, benefits from the UK’s welfare system.

Those who have applied for asylum get £39.63 weekly for each person in their household, to help pay for things they need like food, clothing and toiletries. Their allowance is loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN card) each week, which they can use to get cash from a cash machine.

They are given somewhere to live if they need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast. They can't choose where to live. It’s unlikely to be in London or south-east England.

Whether they can live in the UK legally will depend on their circumstances. Their application will probably be refused if they apply more than 14 days after their permission to stay has expired. They might be able to apply to stay in the UK if:

- it would be very difficult for them to live in the country they would be in - for example because of a lack of work, education, family or friends, or if they wouldn't be accepted back there.
- they’ve lived in the UK for 20 years or more.
- they're aged 18 to 25 and they've lived in the UK for at least half their life.
- they can’t return to the country because they’d be persecuted or seriously harmed - for example, if they’d be tortured.
- they’ve got a partner who has a right to stay in the UK - for example, if their partner is British or has settled status.
- they’ve got children in the UK, especially if they're British citizens, settled or have been in the UK for 7 years or more.
- their last visa was as a partner and they've suffered domestic abuse at the hands of the partner related to their visa.

At last! Appropriate use of the descriptor "so-called"!!

Gwenisgreat1

The British government for dangling carrots in front of these illegal immigrants - I'd want to go to a country that offers housing and money to those who arrive on our soil! I often think Britain is sinking with the weight of these illegals!

Hahaha! Carrots. The chance of the British government offering something to someone that isn't a friend or family member is non-existent.

I haven't been too angry with Gransnet this week, probably because I've been on less. Also because the trans attacks have died down (for now).

I should have put the word into inverted commas! So-called "facts".

Where do you get your facts from?

I think that calling them 'facts' is crediting them with a veneer of credibility that they don't deserve, Elegran

Galaxy

A lot of the threads about a problem within the family are trolls presumably with the aim of making people angry. I didnt see that particular thread, and wouldnt comment on the veracity of individual threads but I would be very wary of those type of threads, especially if they are very long!

It's interesting what makes people angry. I had a quick look at the thread in question, the poster was given good advice and there really wasn't enough detail to make a judgement on it. I can't get worked up about it.

Gwenisgreat1

The British government for dangling carrots in front of these illegal immigrants - I'd want to go to a country that offers housing and money to those who arrive on our soil! I often think Britain is sinking with the weight of these illegals!

No carrots dangled in front of them - how can the government give anything at all to an illegal immigrant who hasn't even told them that they are here? It takes red tape to allot money to anyone, even when they have paid NI for years, and they can't work to earn any.

If they are intercepted they are stuck in bleak barracklike places until their request for asylum is considered, which could be a long time ahead, and they are not given anything more than what will keep them alive until then. No entitlement to benefits or any other priviliges of citizenship.

Where do you get your facts from?

This week I have been angry because several times I have gone on threads to post and after carefully writing a post and then previewing to check for mistakes before posting I found that the preview button done nothing and then trouble with the post button also so after waiting a message came up saying host error. it has been happening all week.
I will try this post today and see if it goes through, all so annoying.