Captain Tom Day to help loneliness in the elderly

I could not support this either. Yes I am 71 but thankfully fit etc.
I was always uncomfortable with the Sir Tom events and his family are very much into getting limelight.
Others have also achieved so much by their efforts and fund raising. I would rather see AgeUK be in receipt of good contributions so they can continue to do their work all year.

Not a fan of the family and imagine they enjoyed the limelight and are keen to hold on to it. It does also seem a bit patronising.

When I saw this mentioned in the weekend papers, my honest thought was ‘Give poor Captain Tom a rest!’ If the family can launch an effective charity on the back of his efforts as a memorial to him, O don’t blame them for trying, especially as they knew him well enough to know if this is how he’d like to be remembered.

Not sure PamQS. Captain Tom always seemed a very modest humble sort of chap. He certainly blossomed with all the media interaction where his views and opinions were respected and he became visible with a voice, unlike many older people.

25Avalon

Not sure PamQS. Captain Tom always seemed a very modest humble sort of chap. He certainly blossomed with all the media interaction where his views and opinions were respected and he became visible with a voice, unlike many older people.

I suspect criticism comes from posters who dislike the family because they are wealthy.
It's inverted snobbery.

Captain Tom (of course, he wasn't a Private, was he!) did enjoy his 15 minutes of fame and he did blossom. It was wonderful to see.
He also raised a lot of money and inspired others to emulate him.

But let's damn them and his memory because they were well off.

Sometimes when you really love someone and are grieving their loss you want to do something good in their memory. It can you permission to join in life again.

Give you permission.

I agree Calistemon.

25Avalon

Sometimes when you really love someone and are grieving their loss you want to do something good in their memory. It can you permission to join in life again.

Yes.

From all the benches on piers, in scenic places in someone's memory so that others can enjoy a rest and enjoy the views their loved ones enjoyed, trees in memoriam, to large charities set up in the name of much loved family members and friends.

They want to continue what he started to help others.

I suspect criticism comes from posters who dislike the family because they are wealthy.
It's inverted snobbery.

Are we not allowed to criticise anybody, just because they are wealthy, without being accused of inverted snobbery? Do you not think there might be other reasons that we have opinions about people? That wealth is completely irrelevant? Or is it just that if certain people fall into the category of offspring of a national treasure then we mustn't be anything other than sycophantic?

What would be the other reasons be ? I would genuinely like to know.

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Bridgeit

What would be the other reasons be ? I would genuinely like to know.

OK, hard hat on again

She spotted an opportunity to create a public personage out of her dad. I'm not suggesting in any way that she coerced him, and I'm sure he was quite happy. But it wasn't entirely altruistic.

As a PR person, she knows how to get publicity and how to tell a story that creates a character for the person at the centre of the story.

Her motives for this new day are no doubt as white as the driven snow but people are motivated by more than money, sometimes they are motivated by public admiration and being the centre of attention. Being seen as the instigator of wonderful things and worthy of admiration.

(Hides in corner)

Alegrias1

Bridgeit

What would be the other reasons be ? I would genuinely like to know.

OK, hard hat on again

She spotted an opportunity to create a public personage out of her dad. I'm not suggesting in any way that she coerced him, and I'm sure he was quite happy. But it wasn't entirely altruistic.

As a PR person, she knows how to get publicity and how to tell a story that creates a character for the person at the centre of the story.

Her motives for this new day are no doubt as white as the driven snow but people are motivated by more than money, sometimes they are motivated by public admiration and being the centre of attention. Being seen as the instigator of wonderful things and worthy of admiration.

(Hides in corner)

Do you actually know this lady? Or are you making a lot of nasty assumptions about her and her family? I’d be genuinely interested to know.

I think Captain tom would like his family to encourage people in their area to vote better

What do you mean Jane?

Considering how wealthy people are in their area, I'd hardly describe them as wealthy either. A few miles away lives the Duke of Bedford and he isn't exactly a rarity in those parts of the shires or whatever they call them.

Lots of genuine interest tonight.

I don't know this lady.

If you are in the public eye, people will form an opinion of you. I might be completely wrong. But the thread was about what we think, and so...

Alegrias1

Lots of genuine interest tonight.

I don't know this lady.

If you are in the public eye, people will form an opinion of you. I might be completely wrong. But the thread was about what we think, and so...

I think people would have a genuine interest in why you form such extreme opinions about a person you’ve never met. Is that charitable?

Forsythia

What do you mean Jane?

Well Nadine Dorries has had a safe seat there for how many years and she doesn't even live there or hold a surgery. Before that it was another woman whose name I have forgotten who was of the same ilk

Ah ok. I didn’t know that.

Forsythia

Alegrias1

Lots of genuine interest tonight.

I don't know this lady.

If you are in the public eye, people will form an opinion of you. I might be completely wrong. But the thread was about what we think, and so...

I think people would have a genuine interest in why you form such extreme opinions about a person you’ve never met. Is that charitable?

I'm not here to be charitable.

These are my views. I was asked, I told you.

Thinking that there might be motivations that are not entirely altruistic, but are also not entirely motivated by money, is not extreme. Its an opinion. Opinions can be wrong. But this is the opinion I have formed.

I have googled and I'll have to apologise as it wasn't who I thought before her but God if you want to instill good in your communities, get rid of useless, self serving MPs (of any party!)

I don't agree with you Alegrias though, sorry. I think Captain Tom tried to do good. I think the media love a story like this but I do think the media like naice middle class white families. That doesn't mean we have to take away 'the good' from this though. I'm sure his family loved him and him them and that is all that matters really and he bought joy to a lot of people.

Alegrias1

^I suspect criticism comes from posters who dislike the family because they are wealthy.^
It's inverted snobbery.

Are we not allowed to criticise anybody, just because they are wealthy, without being accused of inverted snobbery? Do you not think there might be other reasons that we have opinions about people? That wealth is completely irrelevant? Or is it just that if certain people fall into the category of offspring of a national treasure then we mustn't be anything other than sycophantic?

Yes I think your post was very unfair Callistemon.

Good for you. Let’s hope you’re proved 100% correct.