Diana and Charles Engagement

We know that - think back to Henry VIII!

The succession is secure.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=photo+of+royal+succession&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#imgrc=4-3JTOW3SnyEaM

?*annie*.

I don’t think that comparing one’s personal experience of marriage and relationships with the topic under discussion is useful. Charles needed an heir and he got one soon after marriage. The Royal Family is very invested in the line of succession. I will try to find the photo that shows this.

Yes Germanshepardsmum some do have a particular mindset.

Yes a lovely song but still think ‘May turn each day into a heaven or a hell’ was an exaggeration ?

How lovely annie. Unfortunately some do seem to have a particular mindset don’t they?

Germanshepardsmum some believe all men are controlling
and all women are victims.

I do not, suppose because I have never been with a man who tried to control me.

Brings to mind the last record my husband bought me before he died ‘She’ ?

What a nasty post to annie, summerlove. Totally unwarranted nastiness. You owe her an apology.

maddyone

I think Annie’s point is that however suitable a young woman may appear to be in terms of being able to have children, no one can predict unexplained infertility. In other words, there’s no reason apparent as to why some couples just cannot have a child, even after multiple rounds of IVF.

Yes I got that., but it doesn't change the fact that Diana was chosen as a suitable bride, with the intention that she would quickly provide an heir.

If that hadn't happened I doubt the marriage would even have lasted for as long as it did.

Anniebach

Quote Summerlove Thu 09-Dec-21 02:34:29
Anniebach
At 17 I began a relationship with a 28 year old man , certainly no power involved.
Were you dating the heir to a throne?
No? Then it’s not the same. Which you know, but doesn’t fit into your narrative to always put certain women down

We were discussing young girls and older men Summerlove
best read all posts not just select one you can snipe at.

I read them all.

I’m not sure you did.

With age differences like that there is almost always a power differential.

The fact you refuse to see it is telling.

Of course she was used as a brood mare.
She was expected to turn a blind eye to her husband having a mistress.
Still, she died a very convenient death.
I don't think Charles and Camilla on the throne will be very popular, certainly not with a younger generation from what I hear.

I should add that therefore it was impossible to be able to predict that Diana would be able to have children, or indeed, if Charles would be able to have children.

I think Annie’s point is that however suitable a young woman may appear to be in terms of being able to have children, no one can predict unexplained infertility. In other words, there’s no reason apparent as to why some couples just cannot have a child, even after multiple rounds of IVF.

Not sure what your point is.

No one heard of unexplained infertility

Brood mare in the sense that that was why he married her. I remember the relentless press coverage of Charles and his ‘angels’. He was under extreme pressure to get married and provide the heir to the throne. Can you imagine facing Phillip and explaining why you couldn’t do your duty and get married. I think Charles had to give in and marry a virgin, someone who was able to provide an heir quickly and without any prior experience so there would be no question of paternity. Diana was given no help at all from anyone.
If you look back at royal marriages they were all apart from the Queen’s for dynastic reasons. What cemented their families position and wealth was more important than the bride and groom.
It’s a bit like my mum being told off for not marrying Harry from the shoe shop instead of my far more impoverished dad. Harry went on to own a chain of shops and could have kept my mum in a style to which she would have liked to become accustomed. It was a family joke for years and years.

Just to say - I was a honeymoon baby and mum was always embarrassed when I reminded her!

I have read that Diana tried to get out of the wedding but her sisters told her the tee-towels had been printed! She had also discovered that Camilla was in the picture.

I meant, as I think you know, that the royal family just wanted Charles to marry someone suitable who would quickly produce an heir to the throne. Therefore they were treating her like a brood mare and not as a human being with feelings and rights.

Pregnant after four months married so a brood mare ! It was 3 months after marriage for me.

Beswitched

I think it was definitely manipulated, although there is some suggestion that Diana's grandmother initially warned her to be sure she understood what she was getting in to.

But a more responsible family would have stepped in very quickly and put a stop to the whole thing, and made it clear to the royal family that their daughter /granddaughter was not going to be used as a brood mare and convenient bride for Charles.

I think that her father was very keen to get one of his daughters into Charles' bed, Sarah flunked it so it was down to Diana. She herself seemed very keen and her family could have stepped in had they not been so ambitious. The whole thing was a disaster waiting to happened from the crushed meringue she wore for her wedding, it left both of them unhappy. Lessons seem to have been learned, at least with William and hopefully his children will have a similar freedom.

But accurate. The fact is she was soon pregnant.

Charleygirl5

Baggs my question also. It would be a tad difficult nowadays!

It would have been quite a problem in the early 1980s too. I wonder of that applied when Elizabeth married Philip, was he expected to lack experience?

The Spencer family wanted the marriage. Brood mare is offensive.

I think it was definitely manipulated, although there is some suggestion that Diana's grandmother initially warned her to be sure she understood what she was getting in to.

But a more responsible family would have stepped in very quickly and put a stop to the whole thing, and made it clear to the royal family that their daughter /granddaughter was not going to be used as a brood mare and convenient bride for Charles.