Wokeness

VioletSky
You may not have noticed but the sensible voiced and worthy cause's are being drowned out by the extremists.

henetha

I wish I knew what it means

Me too!

MerylStreep

VioletSky
You may not have noticed but the sensible voiced and worthy cause's are being drowned out by the extremists.

Depends who you listen to

It seems to me that being racially aware with a desire for a more equal society has indeed been hijacked by various groups The group determined to exact vengeance for every wrong throughout history. The group who desperately want to have their own story of being wronged how ever slight. The group so afraid of being lumped in with the past wrongdoers that they determined that the value of the previous groups sense of offendedness is greater than the everyday freedoms of those who think anything other than they way the previous groups think. Far from creating a more equal society of greater freedom the net result is a less equal society with less freedom and just a new set of victims. Make no mistake any one of us could become that next victim.

I think the sanctimonious, hypocritical utterances and lectures coming from, for instance their Wokenesses the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, safely ensconced in their million pound Californian mansion, sum up wokery pretty well.

That of course along with the seemingly endless list of words and phrases that we are supposed not to be ‘allowed’ to say these days.

I just wish it was all ignored as the nonsense it quite clearly is.

Along with buzz words , woke, snowflake etc we also have 'no platforming' and 'cancelling'. We're all going to be stunned into silence soon at this rate.

I don't think there is anything wrong with being 'woke', if that means being aware of the feelings of others. Where the term becomes tedious is when it is used to sneer at those who are aware of the feelings of others.

The condescending 'agree with me or you are wrong' behaviour of keyboard warriors, and the violence and aggression of groups such as Trans Rights Activists who threaten dissenters is not about 'wokeness' at all - it is oppressive and self-righteous.

So I suppose being woke = social awareness so ok, sneering at wokeness = lazy excuse not to engage, so not ok, and thinking you are woke when you are just being a pompous twit = arrogant, so not ok either.

Doodledog So I suppose being woke = social awareness so ok, sneering at wokeness = lazy excuse not to engage, so not ok, and thinking you are woke when you are just being a pompous twit = arrogant, so not ok either.
Except the second one (sneering at wokeness) generally applies to the third one (arrogant twits). It doesn't usually apply to genuine social awareness. Therefore sneering at wokeness is fully justified. I think anti-woke people on this thread have 'engaged' and explained their viewpoint so it's not a lazy excuse not to engage.

Possibly. I see what you mean, but there are those who (as with 'PC gone mad') sneer at any attempt to be considerate to the sensitivities of others, moan about 'snowflakes' and so on.

VioletSky

Ah, so this actually another post using the acts of criminals or extreme voices to undermine sensibly voiced and worthy causes by people who just want equal rights and equality of opportunity.

No one has my problem with 'sensibly voiced causes'.

Doodledog

Possibly. I see what you mean, but there are those who (as with 'PC gone mad') sneer at any attempt to be considerate to the sensitivities of others, moan about 'snowflakes' and so on.

And nobody has done that on this thread.

What are those words you want to say but are not “allowed” to say?

That women are a seperate sex category to men. And are allowed a category of their own. That having to have anal sex six times a day with unpleasant dangerous men is not a job.

You did ask

Beswitched, I was under the impression this thread was about wokeness, the term. Not yet another trans bashing thread.

VioletSky

Ah, so this actually another post using the acts of criminals or extreme voices to undermine sensibly voiced and worthy causes by people who just want equal rights and equality of opportunity.

I'm just very glad this isn't the real world VS. At least in real life it isn't the same old people saying the same old things ad infinitum.

Gagajo in real life I don't share views I see that are extreme as it just gives them them what they want, attention and a bigger audience for the message

GagaJo

Beswitched, I was under the impression this thread was about wokeness, the term. Not yet another trans bashing thread.

Where is anyone transbashing?

True. Also to go over the same tired points. We all know each others perspectives. I just can't see the point in constantly redoing it.

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Galaxy you are allowed to say those things - you just have!

Indeed. But one of the very few sites where I can without being threatened. There are a number of women who have lost their jobs or livelihoods because of similar statements. The court cases are available for anyone to see.

GagaJo

Beswitched, I was under the impression this thread was about wokeness, the term. Not yet another trans bashing thread.

The trans issue has been mentioned because of the changing room fiasco which is genuine and has really happened in clothes shops. No-one would 'bash' anyone who was actually transgender and on a genuine life journey to change. What worries people is the way a man is allowed to simply 'identify' as a woman and subsequently gain access to women's changing rooms, toilets and even prisons. It just shouldn't be that easy. We all know that women are sometimes fearful of men, have medical or body issues or may simply be virgins who have never been that close to a man. Those women need to be safe in the knowledge they are not going to encounter an apparent 'male' when they are in a 'women only' area.
What the answer is I don't know, but society needs to find an answer. It is wokeness gone mad to allow a man to simply dress as a woman and gain access to women only areas.

JenniferEccles

I think the sanctimonious, hypocritical utterances and lectures coming from, for instance their Wokenesses the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, safely ensconced in their million pound Californian mansion, sum up wokery pretty well.

That of course along with the seemingly endless list of words and phrases that we are supposed not to be ‘allowed’ to say these days.

I just wish it was all ignored as the nonsense it quite clearly is.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring them into the discussion and insult them.

Not long at all