Prince Andrew Can't Sweat

They closed our pizza express, I never went to it

Maybe she did Annie maybe she thought at least a decent standard of livng would make up for what she went through ...and then maybe she decided that justice was the only way she could get closure.
I watched a documentary about boys abused over 60 years ago,these now elderly men were in tears and told about the effect the abuse had on their entire lives.

The fact that the chief abuser was being put behind bars gave them some closure ,its NOT about money in most cases .Its not about Andrew Windsor either ,he's the most prominent name so if they get a result with his case they can round up the rest like the animals they are .Rightly so ,I'm sure if it had been one of your children abused by these "men" you'd want justice ...or would you say but she was smiling in the photo because he's a "prince"?

paddyanne yes I think she was smiling because she had met a royal and explains why she kept the photograph.

paddyann, did you ever watch that Neil Morrisey documentary? about the children's care homes and the abuse at one his late brother had lived at? there were lots of very high profile men involved in that too iirc

I think I watched the same programme as paddy saw.
It was so, so, sad to see what far reaching effects being the "chosen" boys had on those men.

I don't know that VG is a multi-millionairess but she has certainly made a great deal of money from her involvement with Epstein; however, the legal bills will be colossal, and her lawyers will be quite happy to relieve her of her fortune.
Isn't it said in particularly litigious cases that the only people who win are the lawyers?

An American lawyer who acts for abused girls said on tv this morning that Giuffrie has millions so isn’t doing it for the money

Some people won't ever get it, paddyann, sadly.

I remember that film Oranges and Sunshine where children were sent to Australia and subsequently abused.

Anniebach

Everyone keeps receipts from Pizza Express

Everyone who worked at a Pizza Express when a member of the RF had a family birthsay party can remember it.

No member of the royal family had a birthday party at Pizza
Express.

The staff at Pizza Express wouldn't remember Prince Andrew being there because he wasn't ; he dropped Beatrice off and returned home to wait for her.

So, accessing his medical records seems the best bet.
The ones that prove he doesn't sweat.

Anniebach

No member of the royal family had a birthday party at Pizza
Express.

I strike the words 'had a family birthday', and replace them with 'took Princess Beatrice to a' which of course really makes all the difference...

If you, or anyone else, are so convinced of his innocence then what's the problem with asking the staff at Pizza Express/looking at medical records etc.

If you are willing to take his statements on face value then I assume you will extend the same courtesy to VG.

Really Anniebach, you should stop digging while we can still see the top of your head.

Really Petera you should stop making personal attacks and keep to the subject being discussed and do tell where I have said I believe Andrew, when you have read all my posts do admit I never have and stop posting falsehoods , thank you

I don’t recall Annie ever saying that PA is innocent. She has said she thought that PA was lying in the tv interview and also that she believes VG has lied. She has also said, quite rightly, that everyone is presumed innocent until proved guilty, a basic tenet of our law. I’m in complete agreement with her.

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s clear that VG was sexually active from at least age 13 and there’s no evidence that she was groomed to get into the relationships she had with the men she lived with. She was, as she was living with someone at the time, very sexually aware when she met Maxwell. This may go some way towards explaining why the prosecution decided she would not be a reliable witness.

Some good old fashioned slut shaming then?

Statement of fact.

GSM posted the truth and I very much doubt the boy she was living with when she was with Epstein had groomed her.

It’s so wrong to refer to Giuffrie as a slut.

Anniebach

It’s so wrong to refer to Giuffrie as a slut.

That’s not what Summerlove is doing. But I think you know that.

So wrong to say it when it can be insinuated in every post.

Anniebach

It’s so wrong to refer to Giuffrie as a slut.

I didn’t. Talking about how she was promiscuous when she was younger, is certainly shaming her.

I’m wondering however, why you refuse to spell her name properly.

Seems like when you dislike a woman you choose to spell their name wrong as a way to show your disdain.

I f you take the trouble to study the final paragraph of the post you’ve quoted Summerlove perhaps you will understand the point I was making, which was about her part (or lack of) in the Maxwell case.
And if you’re going to be so unpleasant as to pick Annie up on the spelling of VG’s difficult surname then I will pick you up on your use of ‘wrong’ instead of ‘wrongly’, which I would otherwise have ignored. Basic English.

You used the word slut. I assume you read the Megan and Harry threads .

I rest your case Summerlove !