if she's bragged about having sex with PA why the hell is she now asking for an apology?
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Prince Andrew Can't Sweat
(1001 Posts)Doing wrong is not black and white even in law.
My own father who of course had never heard of Prince Andrew, could not sweat. My mother , who had never heard of Prince Andrew, told me this when I was was girl . My mother did not explain about the adrenaline thing as she had no medical knowledge, but after Andrew's admission about not sweating . I can understand how hormones are affected by some severe life events. My father was at the Eastern Front during the Great War.
Also in support of Prince Andrew, he probably did not even know that it was illegal or even immoral to shag an unknown and poor seventeen year old girl. Very rich people have odd childhoods, and it takes special efforts by parents and teachers to teach them what real life is.
There is no evidence Peasblossom.
There's no evidence that she had sex with PA and there's no evidence that she didn't. There's no evidence that if she did, she did so against her will because she'd been trafficked and there's no evidence that if she had been trafficked, PA was aware of that.
Do you mean that if she's awarded a settlement she wont accept it or will, and then give it to charity trisher?
Respect is earned, thus far she's done nothing to earn mine but never say never.
Time to put away the royal dressing up box. Absolutely disgraceful how they award themselves uniforms, ranks and medals they haven't earned
trisher
On the TV this morning it was said that VG will not settle for an out of court settlement, she wants a day in court and an apology from PA. So if she doesn't settle will those on here describing her as wanting just more money apologise and maybe start to show her some respect?
No. She procured girls for Epstein and knew exactly what she was doing. She bragged about having sex with PA. Why she isn’t on trial for trafficking girls is mystery to me.
On the TV this morning it was said that VG will not settle for an out of court settlement, she wants a day in court and an apology from PA. So if she doesn't settle will those on here describing her as wanting just more money apologise and maybe start to show her some respect?
Can anyone direct me to any real evidence re Andrew and Virginia. It all seems to be he said, she said. I think, you think.
I don’t mean about Epstein. That’s been tried and decided.
Evidence I could consider as a juror.
Alegrias1
That doesn't prevent the Queen from wanting/allowing things though, Peasblossom.
Well wanting or not wanting , yes. I guess we all do that.
But you can’t “allow” or ‘not allow” something that you can’t make happen or can’t prevent.
I mean, I can’t “allow” you to post as Alegrias. It’s not up to me.
So I find “the Queen won’t allow it” post a bit pointless really. If people know its Parliaments prerogative then I thought they might stop speculating about what she will do.
Well said again trisher
The way the ‘evidence’ is distorted by some is reminiscent of the trials of witches
152 British military veterans have signed a letter to the Queen, calling on her to sack Andrew from all his military positions and strip of all ranks. #AbolishTheMonarchy
republic.org.uk/british_military_veterans_call_on_queen_to_sack_andrew
Caleo
Anniebach that is true. The ethic that all can understand is THE MORE YOU ARE POWERFUL THE MORE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELFARE OF OTHERS.
I think as a serving officer in the army Prince Andrew would know that moral principle.
Prrince Andrew and moral principles!!!He wouldn't know one if it bit him.
Being how much of Epstein's money came from criminal enterprises shouldn't he at least make sure his ex-wife repays the money Epstein gave her? He could ask mummy for it www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897086/Cash-strapped-Fergie-took-15-000-paedophile-billionaire-centre-claims-Prince-Andrew-slept-age-sex-slave.html
Anniebach that is true. The ethic that all can understand is THE MORE YOU ARE POWERFUL THE MORE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELFARE OF OTHERS.
I think as a serving officer in the army Prince Andrew would know that moral principle.
Sorry, wealth and a good education doesn’t guarantee intelligence.
Wealth and a good education does guarantee intelligence .
Poverty and uneducated doesn’t guarantee nativity and innocence .
A rich prince with expensive education under his belt may know better than a poor and uneducated hormonal teenager.
A great response from him when confronted with such a girl would have been to gently refuse sex when offered, and pay for her training or education so she could henceforth be her own woman.
She knew exactly what she was doing not as naive as she makes out. Watching the repeated interview with him on News night. What a slimy character he is you can see it in his eyes.
There are degrees of ' force '. Even if Virginia thouroughly enjoyed sex with a handsome prince, he ought not to have done it because she was a silly young girl and he a rich and powerful man much older and wiser than she.
Germanshepherdsmum
I agree with what Annie says. She chose to sleep with Andrew and was excited about it. Nobody forced her to.
It's funny that people believe there are adult women who are in relationships with men who coerce and control them, but don't believe a convicted criminal coerced or controlled a 17year old. Double standards or what?
I agree with what Annie says. She chose to sleep with Andrew and was excited about it. Nobody forced her to.
Kathy73 I am not challenging anyone, i post my opinion as do everyone. As do you .
Anniebach
I don’t believe Giuffrie, I do believe she slept with Andrew but
I don’t believe she was a victim of Epstein.
I think it’s just your way of writing things, Anniebac, but it always seems challenging - implying ‘so disagree with me at your peril’, ‘I know more than you’
I don’t believe Giuffrie, I do believe she slept with Andrew but
I don’t believe she was a victim of Epstein.
That doesn't prevent the Queen from wanting/allowing things though, Peasblossom.
Alegrias1
maddyone
I think the Queen would never want/allow Andrew to lose his titles. I know many people admire the Queen, maybe particularly for her long reign and service, but I think she’s stuck in a time warp from years ago. She is the epitome of bowing and curtsying and thinks ‘rank’ is important. She’s big on ‘blood’ lines and ‘blood’ princesses etc. She will never agree to demoting Andrew, he is a ‘blood’ Prince and she thinks these things are important.
I think you are spot on there maddyone.
See above.
maddyone
I think the Queen would never want/allow Andrew to lose his titles. I know many people admire the Queen, maybe particularly for her long reign and service, but I think she’s stuck in a time warp from years ago. She is the epitome of bowing and curtsying and thinks ‘rank’ is important. She’s big on ‘blood’ lines and ‘blood’ princesses etc. She will never agree to demoting Andrew, he is a ‘blood’ Prince and she thinks these things are important.
I think you are spot on there maddyone.
The Queen has no power to remove titles. This can only be done by Statute of Parliament passed by both the Commons and the Lords.
I think Parliament has other things on their plate at the moment.
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