Prince Andrew Can't Sweat

Oh so sorry Espee Fodnt realise this was pedants corner. Probably should have used the expression ‘copulated’

Anniebach

No one here had sex at 17 ?

Yes, but willingly with someone I fancied.

Why use euphemisms?
It has never been suggested he slept with the young woman.
Use the correct terms such as fucked, screwed or shagged and the enormity of what he did starts to be clear.

Atqui

Chewbacca- yes you would like to think that- and the same goes for all the other fathers who sleep with prostitutes. My point is , did he know the background of these girls - probably not as he wouldn’t have cared. Is sleeping with a girl of 17 necessarily rape?

Opinions don’t matter.

Legally, In the USA it is rape of underaged girls, and in both countries girls who are trafficked by pimps are raped by those who abuse them.

Every single one of those men will be absolutely aware of the abuse of the girls’ legal rights.

And for the record I am not victim blaming-Those girls were definitely victims of Maxwell and Epstein for being groomed into pairs sex . All I’m saying is we can’t prove Andrew was guilty of rape.

Rosalyn69

I don’t think sex with underage girls is exclusive to the rich.

No-one is remotely suggesting that it is.

Chewbacca- yes you would like to think that- and the same goes for all the other fathers who sleep with prostitutes. My point is , did he know the background of these girls - probably not as he wouldn’t have cared. Is sleeping with a girl of 17 necessarily rape?

I don’t think sex with underage girls is exclusive to the rich.

Sleazebag Andrew would probably have taken it for granted that his rich friends had just provided some pretty young things to amuse their guests.

But you'd like to think that a critical thinking father of 2 young daughters might just have stopped for a moment and asked himself "How would I feel if Eugenie or Beatrice were in this room? What would I do if a middle aged man was preparing to have a session with them?" He let his dick override every one and everything else. Repulsive man.

I agree it would have been better for all concerned if he had admitted to having sex with paid escorts, if that’s what he thought they were.He was probably to drunk to remember their faces.

Trafficked is with good reason an emotive term, and I’m sure many prostitutes have been trafficked in the Uk. Back in the nineties before Epstein was convicted of being a paedophile , would Andrew have known how those girls ended up on party island or in a house in London? Sleazebag Andrew would probably have taken it for granted that his rich friends had just provided some pretty young things to amuse their guests.

2007 pic.

No public displays of affection or sweating, of course.

Did you know that for just £3 a month a rich person can receive counselling to deal with the trauma of being unimaginably wealthy

I see the palace is having talks about what to do with Andrew Windsor. It is thought that if the civil case proves correct, then Windsor will be asked to give up his titles etc. He can’t be sacked from a non-job, but he can be made to disappear!

Well the pimps have been identified, now we need to begin to identify those that used their services.

MissAdventure

What a fibber!

It didn’t he say the non sweating was as a result of trauma in the falklands war ? Maybe that photo was earlier on.

I do think Pizza Hut thing is weird ….I mean if Andrew and his daughters were there as a waiter you’d remember !!

Oh MissAdventure that's a classic! Odd that he'd forgotten that he does have the ability to sweat but he does remember that he was in a Pizza Express restaurant in Woking and not having sex with VG even though not one member of staff recalls seeing a member of the RF that day. Funny thing memory!

Anniebach to the delight of the majority it’s a member of the royal family

Why ? I’m not delighted, I think it’s embarrassing.

If he didn’t know it was illegal why could he not do the honourable thing and go and face the music, even admit it and apologise make amends

What a fibber!

Chew, I agree he should shoulder the responsibility for his own actions.

I hope that this whole affair of how a significant number of very powerful people behave will make everyone aware that the very rich are a separate tribe

Outside this case 'trafficking' is generally used in more coercive situations than this seems to have been. Exploitation is a more neutral term.

The girls may have come from dysfunctional families, they had homes and families nevertheless. They were not abducted.

It's bad enough in any light, why make it out to be worse than it is?

Anniebach

No one here had sex at 17 ?

I’ll admit to first having sex just before my 16th birthday when on holiday with a group of friends, I have no idea how old the man was as I never asked him but he was older than me. I was not coerced in any way, nor groomed or made to take part. I “was up for it” as we used to say!

Age of consent differs from country to country. Therefore anyone intending to travel and not lead an old-fashioned moral life should check what the age of consent is in the places where he or she is thinking of hiring a prostitute.

The amount of alcohol you can drink and still legally drive a car or sail a canal boat differs too from place to place.

In France it is illegal to drive a car if you have had as much as one drink, but it was quite impossible for us to find out whether the same rule applied to sailing our boat on the French canals. So we assumed it did and stayed sober and out of trouble.

The law applies to everyone - rich or poor.

I know of a good number of poor people and a good number of reasonably comfortably placed people who break laws that don't suit them and then are surprised when called to account. I suspect that there are rich people doing the same, but that the majority of rich people like the majority of any other group are law-abiding decent people.

But writing about decent men and women does not sell nuewpapers.
I haven't bothered to follow the trouble Prince Andrew has go himself into, as it does not interest me, so I am not expressing an opinion on him.

Thank you winterwhite I am not defending him either but
all those girls involved and only one man is being sued , to the delight of the majority it’s a member of the royal family .

There were girls in this country who were involved, why bring
Giuffrie here .

Andrew allegedly went to that island, so did Bill Clinton and Trump,

Chew, I am neither sympathetic nor ironic. I am saying we need to understand the reasons why extreme wealth is bad.

Extreme wealth was bad for Ghislaine Maxwell, and allegedly bad for Prince Andrew. Extreme wealth would be bad for any of us if we had not learned the morality of poor people.

It is stupid not to see the causes of evil behaviour.

In his car crash tv interview, didn't he claim that his friendship with Epstein only came about because of his "long time friendship" with Maxwell? If that's true, he'd surely have known that she'd been involved in the offences she's now been convicted of? He's long been mired in sleaze; in the 1980s even his Spitting Image puppet was called Randy Andy. His chickens are home to roost and pecking at the door.