Prince Andrew Can't Sweat

Iam I cannot class 14 year olds as prostitutes. Sex slaves ?

But Annie, some of the girls recruited by Maxwell and others, were 14

"Let’s not speak of prostitution on the same thread about sexually abused 14 year olds." (Anniebach)

Yes, but what is most concerning about the Prince Andrew story is that there seems to be a sort of man or woman who regards the weak and the poor as things to be used.

To sexually abuse a 14 year old girl, or any other abuse of the weak by the strong, you would have to have a queer idea of morality. It's the queer idea itself that is evil.

Let’s not speak of prostitution on the same thread about sexually abused 14 year olds.

Whitewavemark2 I hadn't seen this published in the press - where was it reported that 5 million pounds has been turned down?

Would any of us want our daughters or sons to be sex workers? I certainly would not, it’s dangerous and degrading

PS There are people who imagine they are a class of person who has a right to seduce and otherwise use a lower class of person. NB Epstein and Murdoch did not employ rich or well -connected girls as their masseuses.

Trisher, if a sex worker can freely choose as a responsible adult to sell sex then she or he should be amply paid for this risky profession.

I am not saying that sex work is risky because it's immoral I am saying it should be rewarded with danger money. Most sex workers are so poorly paid it's the last sort of manual work most people would choose. Epstein' s girl masseuses were unlikely to have been adequately compensated either for their work, or for having been seduced by Maxwell.

It is worth a thread of its own

You’re right trisher, that’s an area that can challenge parents and support workers. It’s maybe worth a thread of its own - some time in the future

I think I agree with you Caleb and certainly as far as other people selling anyone's body or mind. I do think there is a grey area (and it doen't really apply on this thread) but it is something I was discusing the other day, for some disabled people purchasing sex is the only way they will ever experience it. Is it right to prevent them doing so because of our moral principals?
Ignore this perhaps ,it isn't relevant to Epstein and off the subject.

Yes its brilliant. I am nicking that.

Caleb, that’s an interesting and accurate way to describe sex ‘work’

I understand Caleo

Violet Sky, thanks for your nice reply, which I understand. I am not usually so meddlesome, only I have experienced that very thing.

VioletSky
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It's bad enough all those being paid £90 pounds an hour just to shout at the poor sod being paid £10 an hour to work his butt off just to keep himself in food and shelter. Even though without his hard work you'd have nothing because the world is so backwards....

But selling someone elses body? And earning £90 to their £10?

Thats disgusting"

Manual labour is selling your bodily strength and energy, but selling sex is something more than manual labour.

Sex is more than a body activity, its also a mind activity, and it's wrong to buy and sell minds.

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Germansheppherdsmum

It's OK, don't worry

I know what capitalism is VS but don’t see the relevance unless you simply mean some people are richer than others, well of course they are. It doesn’t mean they are all Epsteins. I’m not badly off but am not a Maxwell.

Caleo

Violet Sky , you should immediately stop saying sorry for what is not your fault . This may possibly insult your husband as it might seem you expect him to blame you. Please, just don't say that word.

It doesn't upset him, he knows everything about me and he knows it is a type of complex ptsd. We have an absolutely amazing relationship that has so far lasted more than 2 decades.

Its a reflex much like flinching if something flies towards your face.

I am and will continue to try and heal it but it's not possible to just stop and placing that level of expectation on myself would actually make it worse

Violet Sky , you should immediately stop saying sorry for what is not your fault . This may possibly insult your husband as it might seem you expect him to blame you. Please, just don't say that word.

It's called capitalism

VioletSky

It's bad enough all those being paid £90 pounds an hour just to shout at the poor sod being paid £10 an hour to work his butt off just to keep himself in food and shelter. Even though without his hard work you'd have nothing because the world is so backwards....

But selling someone elses body? And earning £90 to their £10?

Thats disgusting

You've lost me there. Who are these people?

Yes we can all surmise

Anniebach

Can anyone do so ?

One can surmise quite a bit based on his actions, his convictions and his victims statements