Gender neutral lavatories.

FarNorth

GagaJo

I'm a woman, as were my friends in those situations. We didn't mind. I appreciate some did. TBH, I would have been more worried about the length of the queue, than who was in it.

What is your point?

You and some other women didn't mind sharing loos with men.
That doesn't negate Galaxy's statement that lots of women hated it.

I've never heard of any women saying they hate single-sex loos.

I said that in my comment FN, 'I appreciate some did (hate it)'.

But statements about women hating sharing loos are presented as monoliths and they're not. Some do and some don't. That is my point. Not all women hate sharing loos.

62Granny

Stupid bit of planning that the urinals are put in first and you have to walk past them to get to the cubicles, if they are last , with sinks first then cubicles the a screen for urinals no need for any embarrassment. But I agree with others single use cubicles with sinks are much better idea.

Sensible idea 62Granny. Put the urinals behind a screen at the end, not at the entrance, with wash basins there too. Have cubicles with basins for women and those who need them.
Really I’d rather not share sit down toilets with men who only need a urinal.
Joke signs like Stand closer, it’s shorter than you think! are only too necessary in many cases. Womens toilets are sometimes left in a disgusting state. Adding men would just add to the problem.???

I've always thought the arrangement we usually have with basins in a row outside of cubicles is unhygenic. You should be able to wash your hands before touching a doorhandle.

Talking of foreign toilet arrangements we have come across some real horrors over the years, ergo the holes in the ground. Ghastly,, messy , smelly and disgusting.
An example is one not far from Calais on a main road there is one, not sure if it’s still there, all stainless steel, and modern ...til you get inside only to find a stainless steel hole framed artfully by all the poo and wee which missed the target. Really horrible especially if one is wearing trousers.
Thank goodness these have in the main disappeared.

Stupid bit of planning that the urinals are put in first and you have to walk past them to get to the cubicles, if they are last , with sinks first then cubicles the a screen for urinals no need for any embarrassment. But I agree with others single use cubicles with sinks are much better idea.

This, unfortunately, has made me remember two very funny incidents when I was about 10/11 but is about mixed toilets.
I was visiting Bruge in Belgium with my parents and needed the loo, my dad had already been and warned my mum that they were mixed.
I was given the eyes straight ahead.... instruction and my mother pushed me in the back as she did so she slipped into some men who were using the urinals. My banana skin humour made me laugh so much I had to dive into a cubicle. When I came out and went back to our table my dad was cleaning her up with "Quickies", tiny wet wipes in a blue box.
On another holiday in Munich, the toilets were mixed and you had to pay an attendant for entry one woman in our party kept saying no so the attendant waited until she was in and then locked the door from the outside. Her husband who luckily was also in had to pay the extra to get her released.'
Yet again I got a lecture and a slap about laughing at inappropriate things and I',m laughing as I type this.
Being serious though when I taught loos were really difficult when you did school visits if you did not have men teachers with you. You had to count the little boys in and out, all the time hovering around the entrance to the men's loos.

Our local swimming pool has moved to mixed sex changing rooms and family cubicles , and individual toilet cubicles for all . All fine with me as the space is now larger and very family friendly .

During my time of taking children to the toilet I honestly cannot think of any occasion that my ex did the taking. I realise there may be more single father's now but really this can only be yet another minority group invading on women's whatever you may call it as regards to public toilets.
I don't want to use a unisex toilet

We have visited France many times over the years and the system there generally seems to be that to get to the ladies you have to walk through the part where men in full view, use the urinals. I am not a fan.

This isn't going to help a sector already decimated by covid.

It would enable men to take their children into any toilet so I doubt they would mind

If all loos were cubicles with washbasins or even with just a sink area, i.e. no urinals outside cubicles and everyone had to queue in one line to get a cubicle, I suspect it wouldn’t be the women who would complain loudest.
Imagine being a man having to wait whilst several mums and young children fill up the cubicles and take the necessary time to deal with their needs. You’d only know when a urinal cubicle was free if a man came out.
The security issues like remoteness, and the ill- intentioned do bother me, but I know they don’t bother others.

GagaJo

I'm a woman, as were my friends in those situations. We didn't mind. I appreciate some did. TBH, I would have been more worried about the length of the queue, than who was in it.

What is your point?

You and some other women didn't mind sharing loos with men.
That doesn't negate Galaxy's statement that lots of women hated it.

I've never heard of any women saying they hate single-sex loos.

A place I go to, usually to attend or to sing in concerts, has been retro- fitted with lades, gents and disabled loos. Time is short as everyone wants to use them during the interval. They are badly designed and as women queue in a corridor, each time the door to the men’s is opened, they are exposed to view as the urinals are just inside the door. We often use the single disabled cubicle having first checked that it is not otherwise needed. Not ideal. None of the facilities has room for a parent and child either.

No not just on GN, in most places where womens rights are discussed, it's a bit sad that you have missed it.

I’ve been to a couple of places with separate cubicles, you just queue all together which seems strange, but it does solve the problem.

It’s going to take time and cost to be available everywhere.

Nobody complains about the hospital toilets (shared use) or the loos in countries where 'Ladies' and 'Gents' are unheard of. In fact, only on Gransnet is there a constantly resuscitated, ongoing debate about 'problem' toilets. It's just sad.

I'm a woman, as were my friends in those situations. We didn't mind. I appreciate some did. TBH, I would have been more worried about the length of the queue, than who was in it.

Galaxy

That occasionally happened in the gay pubs I spent all of the nineties in, lots of the women hated it.

I don't think that women's feelings are supposed to matter though, as long as the men are o.k.

That occasionally happened in the gay pubs I spent all of the nineties in, lots of the women hated it.

Ilovecheese

I am well aware of that!

So it isn't just gay men in the ladies loos. It's straight men too.

I am well aware of that!

Gay venues are frequented by many straight people though.

GagaJo

Gay venues may have male/female toilets, but frequently, those categories are ignored with no issue.

I think that may be because women feel that they are less in danger of being sexually assaulted by gay men.

Really do not understand people worrying about unisex facilities - except just the usual unwillingness to change habits of a lifetime.

For me it's not using the same cubicles that's the issue - it's going to a private space on licenced premises, often somewhere away from other people, and finding a strange man or men lurking in there.

Many years ago, a friend of mine was sexually assaulted in a women's loo in a city centre pub. Luckily someone had seen a man enter before she was raped, and raised the alarm. The barman and some friends rushed in and the attacker was caught. If he had gone in there 'legitimately', the alarm would not have been raised, and things could have been even worse for my friend.

Obviously that sort of thing is relatively rare, but that is not a reason for opting into measures that is likely to make it less so. What would the be the benefits of sharing, and would they outweigh the possible risk?