Here is a puzzling thing

BlueBelle

Snowberry maybe I can help, whilst I have a lot of empathy for the homeless there are many that chose that life because they don’t want / or don’t think they can conform to the rules of hostels, (no drink/drugs) there are also many who are offered flats or even have flats (I can name a few in my area) one man in particular has a flat, but prefers to stay in his tent and go to McDs for free food and Morrisons who also give him a handout He’s become quite a ‘celebrity’ with people giving him things for his tent home and hooting as they drive past not realising he has a council flat to go to There are obviously some people who have genuinely hit hard times and need help, of course they do
A refugee through usually no fault of their own is homeless and countryless and living in the direst of situations They haven’t done anything wrong many many are professional people who have been living an exemplary life style earning their money, paying their taxes and contributing to society but because of their country’s situation war torn/genocide etc etc they have no choices left

I hope that helps ……of course they aren’t English maybe that makes a difference for you ?

I thought you put forward some really good points util the last paragraph.

Totally unnecessary and not very nice.

You have started a very interesting philosophical discussion MissA. I am strongly opposed to capital punishment as I consider it state murder, but like many others, I would be happy to hear that one of Putin's generals has got rid of him, so I recognise the confusion of my own opinion. I prefer to see full life tariff for those guilty of the worst murders (but why is one murder worse than another I wonder?), but someone whose very existence has caused the death of thousands of people, if I saw him alone, would I kill him? I don't think I could, so shouldn't expect others to do so on my behalf. You have certainly got me thinking!

MissAdventure

I've no idea, but the death sentence is reviled by more or less everyone (who has posted) whenever it has come up on here.

Well I don’t me revile it, In certain circumstances I believe there should be a death penalty and I think if it was put to the general public in a referendum I think the majority would agree

I think it easy to differentiate between women, children and old people in one group who will all speak Ukrainian or Russiaan and single men with substance or mental problems, or even the few women in this last group.

M0nica

Snoberry Sadly, many homeless people are drug and acohol addicts or suffer from mental health problems. most are single men. I think accepting them int your home is very different from accepting a family, mothers and children, an older person, into your house who are fleeing from war.

I get your point. But there's no way they can DAB check people properly from another country I these circumstances.

We have heard nothing from the Russian Generals, no press conference, no phtographs with Putin, no support expressed officially or on any social media

The army has gone into Ukraine in a very half-baked way and their logistics has really let them down, tales of vehicles running out of fuel and of Russian soldiers looting supermarkets and homes for food. Most of these stories are as yet, not fully corroborated, but the mere fact that they exist says something.

I find this very strange, but it is difficult to understand just what it means. Hopefully it means the rats are quietly making their exit from the sinking ship, or at least preparing their escape route.

As Iam64 says the comparison with Hitler in his last days in the bunker are unavoidable.

Putin’s history says he probably has a psychopathic )narcissistic) personality disorder. People with that kind of personality disorder can breakdown, dissemble become paranoid. The comparison with Hitler seems unavoidable
So yes, Miss A I’d be relieved to see him killed by an assassin. Preferably a Russian

It’s impossible to negotiate with people like Putin

snowberry - there’s no comparison at all with offering a home to an ordinary family escaping war and offering a home to a homeless drug or alcohol addict here. That’s a whole different thread

It is very complex.
I like a complex subject to mull over, sometimes.

I dont think it is the same to be honest. In war time I might agree to all sorts of things I wouldnt agree to in peacetime. I may even agree to some constraints on media/speech something I would never agree to in peacetime, I say may because I am not sure. I am afraid complex decision making is just that, it cant be reduced to a binary.

Who, me?
I'm not in the slightest bit stressed.
I keep emphasising that I'm just interested in peoples thoughts about when it is acceptable.
I'm certainly not stressed about it, I'm enjoying the chat and working my atrophied brain a bit.

Snowberry maybe I can help, whilst I have a lot of empathy for the homeless there are many that chose that life because they don’t want / or don’t think they can conform to the rules of hostels, (no drink/drugs) there are also many who are offered flats or even have flats (I can name a few in my area) one man in particular has a flat, but prefers to stay in his tent and go to McDs for free food and Morrisons who also give him a handout He’s become quite a ‘celebrity’ with people giving him things for his tent home and hooting as they drive past not realising he has a council flat to go to There are obviously some people who have genuinely hit hard times and need help, of course they do
A refugee through usually no fault of their own is homeless and countryless and living in the direst of situations They haven’t done anything wrong many many are professional people who have been living an exemplary life style earning their money, paying their taxes and contributing to society but because of their country’s situation war torn/genocide etc etc they have no choices left

I hope that helps ……of course they aren’t English maybe that makes a difference for you ?

Snoberry Sadly, many homeless people are drug and acohol addicts or suffer from mental health problems. most are single men. I think accepting them int your home is very different from accepting a family, mothers and children, an older person, into your house who are fleeing from war.

Perhaps you should try to calm down. You seem to be getting very stressed about something that is totally outside your control.

I've asked so many I can't remember.

MissAdventure

It is taking a life.
We can agree on that, I'm sure.

Oh yes, but that wasn't the question

It is taking a life.
We can agree on that, I'm sure.

MissAdventure

It's the taking of a life, however you dress it up.

I don't think it is 'dressing it up' to say that execution as punishment is wrong, but assassination to prevent bloodshed on a large scale is not.

Nor do I think that the abortion debate is remotely similar.

I don't know

I wouldn't want anyone responsible for making a decision like that.

Perhaps those sentenced to life behind bars should have the option to choose that for themselves, inplimented by themselves

It’s a good thread MissAdventure, good to hear others views as we mull it over. Certainly food for thought.

It's similar to the abortion stance.
People don't believe in it "unless".
So, in that case, people do believe in it, whatever they may say.

As I said, I'm not here to argue about it; I have my opinion and I can see why others hold theirs.

Germanshepherdsmum

You’re worse than a toddler constantly asking ‘Why?’ MissA!

Its a discussion site.
We are all adults. We don't always have to agree, surely?
How boring would that be.

Misadventure I understand where you're coming from.
I'm intrigued to know why people who are tripping over themselves to open their doors to the refugees, dont seem to have the same generosity of spirit when it comes to the MANY homeless people that are found in our town centres
I've never got my head round that one.

It's the taking of a life, however you dress it up.

I am against the death penalty, and wouldn't ever want to see it come back. I wouldn't want it even for the bloodiest of criminals, as it is a premeditated process which brutalises all who take part in it.

If, however, it would save the lives of countless others to kill one (or more) people, I would have no qualms about doing so. I don't think that is the same thing at all. It's not about punishment, but about preventing loss of life.

I wouldn’t shed a tear at the death of Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Fred and Rosemary West, Wayne Couzens and many more evil takers of innocent life BUT I couldn’t kill them myself, therefore I couldn’t ask anyone else to do so.
However if they escaped and I found them in the act of harming someone else then I feel that I could kill them to defend the innocent.
That leads me to think that I could kill Putin for that reason, in defence of millions of innocent people.
Whoever bumps him off will be a hero in my book.