Vagina Museum

Rachel Dolezal.
She used to work for The NCAAP (who we were discussing a few days ago)
She falsely claimed that she had black origins; and also Native American origins.

Rachel Dolezal FannyCornforth

Peasblossom

Well now, do they have that right Shelflife? I have been pondering this.

I am white Caucasian. If I self identify as Black is it acceptable for me to take part in events celebrating Black achievements or is that appropriation?

Would the Black Community be right in viewing it as another act of White dominance? Could they argue that my taking over an event meant for their community was a reversion to White dominance?

I would not be able to justify my self identification in terms of genetics or in terms of shared experience.

This seems to me to be a very exact parallel to the trans stance.

Exactly so.

There was a black rights campaigner who pretended that she was black; and got into a lot of bother. It was in the US.
I’ll see if I can find her…

good point Peasblossom I hadn't thought of that, you've given me something to ponder.

You're right Fanny auto correct doesn't like transwoman which is why I changed it.

And The Fanny Museum, perhaps

Mollygo I see that you use ‘transwoman’ too.
Quite right

Callistemon21

maddyone

I didn’t know there is a Vagina Museum in the UK. Or is it somewhere else?

It's next door to the Penis Museum.

A Willy Museum would sound rather more jolly IMO.

Well now, do they have that right Shelflife? I have been pondering this.

I am white Caucasian. If I self identify as Black is it acceptable for me to take part in events celebrating Black achievements or is that appropriation?

Would the Black Community be right in viewing it as another act of White dominance? Could they argue that my taking over an event meant for their community was a reversion to White dominance?

I would not be able to justify my self identification in terms of genetics or in terms of shared experience.

This seems to me to be a very exact parallel to the trans stance.

I agree Shelflife and don't recall ever seeing on the numerous threads about trans, anyone ever saying that people don't or shouldn't "have the freedom and right to identify as who they wish".

That is not what this is about. It's about a day which celebrates women being subverted by trans gender, something I feel very strongly about.

I second all that Doodlebug says.
Not the same as different skin colour at all.

Shelflife please don’t fall from your lofty perch. You only have to read any threads about trans to realise that most posters have no issues with transwomen, except those who try to make the fact that they are really male work for them in ways that are detrimental to women. Their issues are with those and the posters who support ALL such transwomen against the rights of women.
Slight deviation: an article in the news this morning about the gender pension gap. Where this applies, would transwomen expect to get the pension they are entitled to as a man or would they accept the lesser pension allocated to the women they aspire to be?
Just asking.

I agree that there are transpeople who are happy living as the other sex; but they are not able to become the other sex, as biology is against this.

It is not transpeople that many people are against - speaking for myself, I wish them well and have a lot of sympathy for them. When it comes to men who insist that they are women, and then want to invade women's spaces (be they prisons, rape suites or changing rooms next to teenage girls), or to have sex with lesbians because the reality is that they are heterosexual men who are attracted to women, or to change the language so that the word 'woman' has become meaningless, or to 'cancel' people who speak against any of this, or to send death threats to people like JK Rowling, because she has pointed out the difference between sex and gender, or who want to share tents or other accommodation with girls and young women on school trips and Scouting camps - I have far less tolerance for them. IMO, colonising the Vagina Museum on IWD falls firmly into the second camp.

No trans women aren’t like black, white, tall, old or young women. They’re like black, white, tall, old or young trans women.

People have the freedom and right to identify as who they wish. Trans women may be biologically male but know there has been a mistake. They are in a traumatic situation and deserve understanding . We are all living in very troubled times - war , famine, rape, and murder . These are the issues we should all be focussed on. I hope to see more
compassion for trans people and it will come - eventually!
Families with trans teenagers must be going through hell , let’s put ourselves in their shoes and just stop and think about what is happening in their lives . If we are not in that position let’s all spare some time to reflect on on what is happening to others. I apologise for being on my high horse but I feel very strongly about this .

VioletSky

No they are women, trans is just their type of women.

Bit like

White woman
Black woman
Tall woman
Old woman
Young woman

Etc

The great difference between trans women and your list is that the latter are all biological women. Unless of course they’re trans-white/black/young/old/etc.

I prefer to use the word transwoman; as opposed to trans woman.
That is, they are not a type of woman.

I notice that autocorrect doesn’t like it.

White woman-yes
Black woman-yes
Tall woman-yes
Old woman-yes
Young woman-yes
Muscular woman-yes
Woman with deep voice-yes
Male woman-no, not possible and calling it trans doesn’t make being female possible.

Yet another chance for the patriarchal feminists on GN who think men should be allowed to take what doesn’t, and can never belong to them, to sing the praises of men. Men can be black, white, short, tall, blond, brunette. Men can’t be female.

A really beautiful moment to celebrate how the medical community can create a vagina for someone in the same way they can build or rebuild any other missing or lost appendage.

Good grief! What would really be a beautiful moment would be for biological men to face up to the fact that no matter how much they want to be women, no matter how they dress, talk, act or present; they can never alter their biological sex and be a woman.

Agree with your post @ 00.05 100% Rosie51

They take everything off us these blokes, don’t they?

A trans woman is not a woman, it stands for a man transgendering to a women. A trans man is not a man in the same respect. In the same way transport is not a sport.

Esspee

Bellanonna

I disagree Violet Sky. I’m happy with tall, short, black, white because that’s exactly what they are. Nobody became tall, black, white etc. it’s an integral part of their make-up.

A trans woman is actually a man.

Absolutely.

Totally! You cannot alter anatomy in that way - you cannot transplant a fully functioning vagina/uterus/fallopian tube/ovary into a trans woman. I actually don't care what people identify as - my SIL has this saying which winds me up when she disapproves "each to their own" means it as an insult - though for the current topic she would freak out of her knickers! However if anyone wants to identify as a Rice Krispie - why not? But actual physical anatomy is what it is. I know there are babies born that gender is ambiguous and that is completely a different issue and very hard psychologically for anyone born with this to mentally come to terms with but I think this is different. Trans tends to mean you identify as different to what your biological anatomy is. That is also fine by me but surely a vagina museum (WTF anyway) might think about celebrating success of HPV vaccination, use of durex, signs of vaginal problems highlighted - not women who don't actually have a vagina? Who would go there? "Oh we're going to York, Blackpool, London, Glasgow - let's go to the vagina museum". "Hey - maybe we could tie in with the penis museum"?

VioletSky A really beautiful moment to celebrate how the medical community can create a vagina for someone in the same way they can build or rebuild any other missing or lost appendage.

Except that it's not missing or lost, it never was for a man no matter how much he wants one. In your book there's nothing unique or beautiful about a natural born woman. Of course the reality is that the vast majority of 'transwomen' have no wish for surgery to create an artificial vagina, they prefer to use their penis for sex, referring to it as 'lady penis' when they're being polite. And amazingly huge numbers are also 'lesbians', no sex with men for them.
That biological women are not even able to have one day out of 365 to celebrate their being and achievements without the inclusion of men is depressing. Still next time there's a trans day all non-trans should just muscle in and identify as non-trans trans

maddyone

And more information, thanks trisher. As I said, I thought it was in Amsterdam. Obviously not it seems.

I thought it was in Amsterdam too. Maybe it travels.

It may seem a trivial thing, but men using IWD to celebrate the vagina in a way that takes ownership is actually quite colonising. I can’t believe it wasn’t a deliberate ‘in your face’ to feminists.

Is it mean to state a trans women is a man living as a women, and why shouldn't he, we should all live as we choose without doing harm to others? But on "International Women's Day" shouldn't it be for women alone, just as "International Men's Day", "Mother's Day" and all the other "Days" should be reserved for those it is named after? By all means have individual day's for "Trans Women" and "Trans Men". Live and let live, but why try and impinge on others? In my opinion the Vagina Museum is wrong on all accounts.