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What price democracy? Do we want 'winner takes all' - or fair voting?

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varian Sat 18-Jun-22 09:52:24

Yesterday the biggest trade union Unison decisively backed a change to proportional representation for parliamentary elections.

At last year's Labour Party conference 80% of constituency representatives backed a change to PR but the motion was defeated by the union block vote. Subsequently the country's second biggest union, Unite, decided to support PR so we can now hope that the Labour Party will finally realise how damaging our undemocratic FPTP electoral system has been and support PR for future elections.

labourlist.org/2022/06/unison-vote-to-back-pr-hailed-as-huge-boost-by-electoral-reform-campaigners/

Applegran Thu 14-Apr-22 13:08:36

Thank you for responding. I think its true that most people do not take an interest because it isn't clear quite how bad our current system is - it really does not allow 'the voice of the people' to be heard. I hope some more people will email their MPs and support the organisations looking for fair voting systems.

CvD66 Thu 14-Apr-22 11:22:45

This is an important topic which many ignore or don't understand. When we see comments about the PM's 80 seat majority, people think that reflects the opinion of the people which you have explained well is incorrect. However can I add to this: Get out and vote! Votes change governments. If you don't vote because you don't like any of the political parties or feel one vote doesn't make a difference, you contribute to the problems we are all facing!

nadateturbe Thu 14-Apr-22 11:17:22

Thank you. I will have a look at the organisations supporting PR, which I think is better.
I would also like to see elections every 3 years.

Applegran Thu 14-Apr-22 11:04:23

The only other country in Europe apart from the UK which uses a First Past The Post voting system to elect it’s government is Belarus - and you could say that this speaks for itself. Surely we should have fair voting here?
Across the UK, elections with a proportional representation system are becoming the norm – but not for the government of the country. Millions of votes have been cast across the UK using PR for Great Britain’s devolved elected institutions – the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Senedd and London Assembly.

With PR you can vote for the candidate you really want to see elected – there is no need for ‘tactical voting’ or fearing a ‘wasted vote’. It makes us as voters far more powerful – we can vote for which person and party we genuinely support. It makes the main parties nervous for exactly this reason: first past the post suits them. It suits them when they are in power – or think they have a good chance of power. Under the current system many votes make no difference at all – the votes which make a difference are in marginal constituencies. But all votes should matter! And with PR, they would matter.
In the 2019 General Election the Conservatives got 44% of the vote, 56% of the seats in the House of Commons and 100% of the power. Whether or not you like the Conservatives this does not look democratic.
It is well past the time when we should change the electoral system to make it more democratic, and to make votes matter. I have emailed my MP about this – but he didn’t like the idea of PR…….and I can see why. Fair votes might put his ‘safe seat’ at risk.
What do you think is the fairest voting system? And if you agree with me – lets send our MPs emails asking for fair votes! And support the organisations out there working for fair votes: The Electoral Reform Society and Make Votes Matter – they are easy to find on the internet. What do you think?