Baby P's mother to be released

Kate1949

I beg everyone's pardon. The way it was reported re the baby, was that she was his adoptive mother. It seems she had applied to adopt him and he was put in her care while she was being considered.

Really?
Are you sure?

I beg everyone's pardon. The way it was reported re the baby, was that she was his adoptive mother. It seems she had applied to adopt him and he was put in her care while she was being considered.

Hope she’s been sterilised.

It seems that crimes against property are often treated more vigorously than those against humanity. When a crime is as vile and heinous as this one, l really do think that life should mean life and that she should never be released.

maddyone

I don’t think people who have had children have clouded judgment per se, any more than I think people who don’t have children have clouded judgment per se. People don’t have clouded judgment, they have opinions. We may or may not agree with those opinions.

I agree.

But I do think that being a parent, whether biological or not, whilst I disagree would cloud judgement, does give people a different dimension into crimes perpetrated against helpless infants and small children.
Although most decent people feel horror and revulsion at such crimes, would find that particular protective instinct that comes with being a parent comes to the fore.

The unnatural death of a child under the care of its parent is always something to shout about.

This is supposed to be a democracy and yet it seems our elected government has no power to overturn an unelected (just ‘appointed’) parole board,

That is exactly what a democracy is. Elected politicians don't get to overturn judicial decisions, at least not in a civilised country.

This is why these kinds of things are worth shouting about MissA

My point was that children bring out basic and irrational instincts in otherwise reasonable souls.
The human race would probably die out otherwise, because babies are a bind and a huge responsibility, and if we were rational we probably wouldn't bother.

The laws of this country are deeply flawed when murders of innocents are so lightly dealt with. The same with very many other major crimes. How often have we seen these criminals reoffend? This is supposed to be a democracy and yet it seems our elected government has no power to overturn an unelected (just ‘appointed’) parole board, very many of which have shown that the decisions they make are completely wrong? Justice should be blind (she’s still shown so on top of the Old Bailey). A life has been taken, a long term of imprisonment is what is deserved and what the citizens of this country rightly expect.

Oh, I "do me", don't worry about that.

And "doing me" includes pointing out when people are being irrational.

I'm with volver on this.

Good for you.
As the saying goes "you do you".

MissAdventure

So why are you telling me that?
In the thread I mentioned I said I didnt think I would fight to the death.

I'm not sure what you are getting at MissA.

I wish we had a different pronoun for plural you and singular you...

Would many parents fight to the death for their children? I'm absolutely sure they would. If the choice was between the child dying and the attacker dying.

Do I think that calling for the non-judicial assassination of a criminal 13 years after the event is rational? Do I think that calling for her sterilisation is rational? Do I think that wishing her to be attacked in prison is rational?

No, I don't.

Kate1949

The baby I mentioned above, killed by his adoptive mother must have gone through some rigorous checks. He was a beautiful child and just a year old.
It is reported that she said 'No one told her that babies were so demanding'. She said she hated him.
How did she get through the process? How?

I did wonder that myself Kate. As the parent of an adoptive parent, and knowing what they had to go through in order to be accepted as potential adopters, I do wonder about this person. It seems to me that she was able to say all the right things, but clearly had absolutely no idea of what caring for a baby entails. And even as a baby, he would have had upheaval in his short life, which probably made him more clingy and unsettled. A would be adoptive parent will have had training about this possibility but she was obviously extremely unprepared for the reality.

Kate1949

The baby I mentioned above, killed by his adoptive mother must have gone through some rigorous checks. He was a beautiful child and just a year old.
It is reported that she said 'No one told her that babies were so demanding'. She said she hated him.
How did she get through the process? How?

I agree, my daughter has just adopted two siblings and the process was more than rigorous. In my daughter's case the children have only just been formally adopted after a year and three social workers have visited regularly: one for tge children, one for the adoption service and one for my daughter. I think that this is pretty standard so it is very hard to see how the child you mention could have been abused. Perhaps it was a more informal family fostering arrangement rather than a formal adoption? Either way it seems odd. adoption?

ruthiek my suspicion is that bad things have always happened to vulnerable children in poor circumstances. It's just that we didn't use to hear about them. My mother often wondered what had happened to a girl from her village. It was clearly something bad but she was never allowed to ask about it. Nobody did.
Even in Victorian times certain crimes,often of a sexual nature, would be reported in Latin as, obviously, the ladies wouldn't understand it!

Ruthiek, the infant homicide rate has as far as I am aware remained constant over about 70 years.

So why are you telling me that?
In the thread I mentioned I said I didnt think I would fight to the death.

That was for MissA.

Thanks maddyone

Aveline

I don't know much about this woman other than her crime -and it was an appalling crime. However, just looking at her photo which was widely shared I'm left with two thoughts. One is that she doesn't look very bright (and all that that implies re genetic inheritance and life experience) and the other is that she'll be a target for vigilantes.

Are you a member of a far-right party that supports eugenics? That is the most appauling post.

Baby P was not your child. He was not the child of anybody here. You are not being asked to physically defend him.

Some of the calls on here for violence against someone none of us have met, and whose circumstances are far from clear, are just alarming.

And I respect your opinions volver. Some on here I find hard to respect.

volver

And murder other people on their behalf?

Ask parents here if they would fight to the death to protect their children.
There was a thread about just that a few weeks ago.

She was sentenced and has presumably served at least half of her sentence. Personally I'd prefer to see her serve the full term, but as someone else posted the professionals involved may know more than us.
Unless she is of unsound mind she cannot be detained forever. I would have thought that she might be at risk herself when she is released.

Whoever makes these decisions should be ashamed. Another evil monster released, free to live their life while a little child didn't even have one.