Enough with the jubilee already.

The general feeling in this part of the world is the hope that Elizabeth the first will be Elizabeth the last

She's Elizabeth the second.

nanna8

Why celebrate the class system? It has caused endless heartache and it is not a fair system where people inherit vast sums of money and vast tracts of land. Ridiculous in this day and age.

I agree!

Chewbacca

^The general feeling in this part of the world is the hope that Elizabeth the first will be Elizabeth the last^

She's Elizabeth the second.

Not where I live Chewbacca. This simply shows the level of ignorance in the history of this country. She is the first queen Elizabeth in Scotland.

EIIR!

Her regnal name is Elizabeth II

But she is the first monarch of Scotland to be called Elizabeth.

She is also Elizabeth II in Australia (for example) which hadn't even been discovered by Europe at the time Elizabeth I reigned. So the "English" naming system has to be adopted by everyone, whether they like it or not.

Why is when we have something to celebrate do people complain?
A personal choice obviously but after the past two years it’s nice to spread a little optimism.
Most of the friends I have will be enjoying the next few days and raising a glass to out Queen

Good grief…. Such a lot of negativity…. I stopped reading on page two!!! I’m looking forward to all the jollity, flag waving, eating trifle etc…. A good opportunity for friendly gatherings and banter… especially after the last two years…!!!!

Good for you. But don’t call those of us who don’t enjoy those things ‘negative’. Enjoying parties isn’t compulsory.

Russ Jones on Twitter this morning. Apparently he really does mean football, but I thought he was talking about jubilees, I really did. Replace the word "football" with "Jubilees".

Today I learned that you're not allowed to not like football.

Not liking football ruins football for other people. But showing it in every possible location and discussing it constantly doesn't ruin anything for people who don't like it.

This, apparently, is how things are.

Unlike football the Platinum Jubilee is a one off. It wont be happening again and will all be over by the end of next week, when we're done with the footage and reports of what happened over the weekend.

Unfortunately for me anyway, the same cannot be said of football

I can remember the street party we had to celebrate the end of the war! I was 8 years old.

Going to street parties is not compulsory

Smileless2012

Unlike football the Platinum Jubilee is a one off. It wont be happening again and will all be over by the end of next week, when we're done with the footage and reports of what happened over the weekend.

Unfortunately for me anyway, the same cannot be said of football

I'm not sure you actually understood my post...

Today I learned that you're not allowed to not like Jubilees.

Not liking Jubilees ruins Jubilees for other people. But showing Jubilee celebrations and merchandise in every possible location and discussing them constantly doesn't ruin anything for people who don't like it. (This is sarcasm)

This, apparently, is how things are.

it's jubilee week! Let's have a thread of our favourite things the Queen has done!

The palace also successfully lobbied to be exempted from race laws that ban discrimination in the workplace.To hear the Queen actively discriminated against black and Asian employees, and still has the freedom to do so, is shocking.

Her Private Secretary colluded with the Australian Governer-General to oust an elected Prime Minister. Palace Letters.

Only paid tax from the 90s The Queen & Prince Charles pay tax “voluntarily”. They are still legally exempt from paying taxes. They’re still exempt from disclosing their personal wealth. Even the “voluntary” tax they claim to pay can’t be investigated to see if they’re paying the right amount ?

Generously funded her son’s donation of millions of pounds to a woman he’s never met so that he could take part in her Jubbly party without controversy!☺️??

queen and Charles vetted laws to prevent people in the Duchy of Cornwall from buying the freeholds to their own homes. The monarchy is the reason leasehold (a corrupt and feudal form of home “ownership” that exists nowhere else in the modern world) still exists in England and Wales

queen and Charles can vet laws to protect their private interests.

My fave has to be when she tried to access poverty funding to heat her palaces, funds designed to help the most needy and deprived. ?

Had a transparency law changed to protect her wealth from the public. I’d say the skill by which she has used every loophole available to hide her enormous wealth from taxation and thus avoid giving a small portion of the money she will never need to people in desperate deprivation and poverty.

Exempted royals from the freedom of information act, so we have NO idea what else they are exempt from, the tax they pay, or whether the queen applied again for a poverty heating allowance, etc.

She cancelled the Staff's Christmas party one year - "to save money"..??

Pay servants Worse, not even below living wage - below minimum wage…
apparently it’s alright because they get to eat and sleep onsite too!
After all why does anyone need decent wages for if they never leave the servants quarters, erm, I mean “housekeepers accommodation”

The millions her estate had in offshore portfolios, including investments in the predatory rent-to-own outfit Bright House, helped make our country the great place it is today Ma am

She lobbied the Scottish Parliament 67 times to ensure that new wildlife protection laws wouldn't apply to her land.

Queen lobbied for changes to three more laws, documents reveal
Road safety, heritage and private land leasing were all subject of pressure from palace, records show

Police have been barred from searching the Queen’s private estates for stolen or looted artefacts after ministers granted her a personal exemption from a law that protects the world’s cultural property.

When she took a 50 million Covid-related "bailout" while her "subjects" were sick, dying, scared, laid-off or under employed at the height of the pandemic.

These are a few I found. Funny isn't it that queen make sure she and family are ok but does nothing to defend our constitution for the people.

Gawd love 'em. Its not as if historically monarchy have a history of murder and riding roughshod over land and rights or anything that got them to their privileged position in the first place ......oh....?

It’s when I see stuff like this graphic:

... and read that The Queen’s courtiers banned “coloured immigrants or foreigners” from serving in clerical roles in the royal household until at least the late 1960s [that] Buckingham Palace negotiated controversial clauses – that remain in place to this day – exempting the Queen and her household from laws that prevent discrimination on the grounds of sex, race and disability …

that I’m glad to turn my back on it all.

I have been asked to go into work (a voluntary job) two hours earlier next Saturday to blow up balloons for the big celebration. I’m taking the day off instead. A colleague, who would rather be in charge of the guillotine, is joining me.

I dislike the Union flag. It reminds me of all the injustice done in the name of colonialism and nationalism - especially pertinent right now.

I've been visiting the family in Australia since May, and won't be home until July, so I will miss all the merriment. I'm a bit sad, really, as I have lived right through HM's reign, and would have enjoyed taking part in some of the celebrations. I will miss all the tv coverage too. I'm delighted to be spending time with my family, instead, though. Especially meeting my 'new', now 2 years old, grandson

I haven't noticed much interest in the Jubilee over here. I expect that there will be some news coverage of the main events after they happen.

I hope that you all enjoy the break (if you're not working) in whatever way takes your fancy.

Well Said OakDryad

There is no doubt that she has sat through endless governments and endless prime ministers and has been safe and secure in the knowledge that the slow destruction and breakdown of the country and society will never affect her or her family. Entirely isolated and insulated.

Football? Damn, my team's kit is purple this year, so I won't be able to join in the red, white and blue theme now.

No guesses as to who I support, except to say in my uni days I was a waitress for their functions in their Chantecleer dining suite, White Hart Lane

At least purple is the celebratory colour for The Queen! ?

Its like a black hole. Infinite gravitational pull will bring you back to the Queen, whatever it is you are discussing.

Isn’t it just. ???

Gosh Grany, that made for interesting reading. I knew a lot of it, some I didn’t. I like seeing the information written out so clearly. If only people knew more about things like this, perhaps they wouldn’t be quite so keen on the whole institution.

It’s the extremely persuasive arguments I’ve read on Gransnet over the last few years that finally pushed into being a republican. I’ve had a foot in both camps, rupublican and monarchist, for many years, but about a year ago I finally decided that the system is totally outdated and even worse, totally self serving. Read Grany’s post to see the appalling amount of self serving behaviour of the royal family. My mother would be appalled because I was brought up to be a monarchist. I believe in democracy and a monarchy simply is undemocratic.
When we enjoy national celebrations we should be celebrating something that we can all celebrate, so celebrating the anniversary of the end of the war is certainly something to celebrate.
I wish no harm to the Queen but I would like her to be the last monarch. I believe we should have a referendum to decide the way forward because it seems to me that there are rather more republicans around than we realise.
For those celebrating I still wish them a happy time. However my celebrations this week have been about my husband’s 70th birthday and a visit from my daughter and her family from New Zealand. These are the important things in my world.

volver

Its like a black hole. Infinite gravitational pull will bring you back to the Queen, whatever it is you are discussing.

Now black would be a very inappropriate colour, though I do have a LBD somewhere.

Black holes should be renamed purple holes for the duration of the Jubilee perhaps.