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Here’s a challenge for card designers.

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Cabbie21 Wed 01-Jun-22 12:23:28

Looking for a birthday card today, I struggled to find a gender neutral one for my granddaughter who now identifies as non - binary, if I’ve got it right.
Moving away from any specific designation, even then I struggled. Nothing floral would suit, and though they are very sporty, they don't enjoy cricket or football. I looked for a horse but couldn't find one. I have exhausted my local shops.
I also struggle for other relatives who don’t fit the usual stereotypes.
Come on, card designers!

Kate1949 Wed 01-Jun-22 16:48:49

I think that's what they do now GSM. They or them for non binary people. (I think. Someone put me right if I've got this wrong!).

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Jun-22 16:52:09

If you were talking about them, yes. But if you were addressing them direct, saying Happy Birthday, it would be ‘you’.

saltnshake Wed 01-Jun-22 17:01:20

I always have a supply of Whistlefish cards ready to use. Lovely cards, great variety. I order about once a year and order my Christmas cards at same time.

silverlining48 Wed 01-Jun-22 17:04:57

You could make one yourself. Plain card and envelopes available in craft and even poundland shops, then its up to you. Hope your gc has a lovely birthday.

StarDreamer Wed 01-Jun-22 17:12:17

Use of 'they' for one person has been in use for quite a while quite separately from gender issues when whether the one person is male or female is not known.

It seems to me that there wasn't a gender neutral word for one human in the various noun cases so they and them got overloaded with an extra meaning.

So start with a noun such as "the doctor"

Ask the doctor and see what (don't know if the doctor is he or she, ah, um) they say (got through that!)"

HowVeryDareYou Wed 01-Jun-22 17:14:21

Have a look at online card places such as Moonpig, Card Factory, Thortful or Funky Pigeon.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Jun-22 18:18:48

If you address a person directly you say YOU regardless of gender/lack of!!! It's only 'them' if speaking ABOUT them. Who would say Happy Birthday Them to someone?! How are 'them' instead of 'you'|? I don't think so.

BlueSky Wed 01-Jun-22 18:22:10

Plain card with your own wording inside.

Chardy Wed 01-Jun-22 23:20:32

Cards that don't avoid irritating stereotypes have always been around. Men's cards - cricket, football, fishing or country scenes
Women's - shopping, pink, glitter

Hetty58 Wed 01-Jun-22 23:37:21

I just send a 'Happy Birthday' text these days. My family (except one sister) have abandoned cards altogether - as environmentally unfriendly - and the older generation who appreciated a 'nice' card are now gone.

MawtheMerrier Thu 02-Jun-22 04:51:52

MrsKen33

And what about the wording. ‘Happy Birthday to them’?
Best go to Moonpig and do it yourself

Like others upthread I question the relevance of this.
Birthday greetings (and all others) are addressed “to YOU” - not to a third person!
Incidentally there are thousands of non-gender specific cards if you have a look (as well as the stereotypical blue football/pink unicorn/pipe and slippers/ golf clubs sort)
I avoid names of relatives- grandson, daughter etc - and buy cards whenever I see any that catch my eye, keeping a stash of birthday/ blank/ “thinking of you” / congratulations type ready in advance

MrsKen33 Thu 02-Jun-22 05:06:06

My GD is non binary. Prefers to be addressed as ‘them’ or ‘they’. Confused us a lot at first..Other than always calling her by her given name we ,her parents and most others use ‘them’.

MawtheMerrier Thu 02-Jun-22 08:17:50

I don’t understand
Surely you address your GD as you but speak of “them” as them confusedconfused

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 02-Jun-22 08:25:17

Do you say ‘Hello, nice to see them’ when you meet her? No, thought not.

M0nica Thu 02-Jun-22 08:32:17

You cannot have looked very far, the shops are stuffed with lovely cards, I assume you do not like flowery cards because they are girlie. Aren't you showing a gender rigidity by thinking this? Why shouldn't someone in the predicament you describe like a flowery card? Unless the recipient has a very specific dislike of flowery cars.

I rarely give cards that state a relationship, usually I choose landscapes, flowers, animals, gardens, original art, all sorts of things - even to children.

OakDryad Thu 02-Jun-22 08:42:41

How someone identifies is irrelevant. We look for cards to suit the person, don't we? Etsy has some beautiful cards depicting horses.

www.etsy.com/uk/market/horse_cards

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 02-Jun-22 08:52:19

Absolutely right Oak Dryad.

Gongoozler Thu 02-Jun-22 08:53:22

Like MOnica I have found the local shops are full of lovely cards. Gift type shops normally have cards to suit most tastes and I have recently bought blank cards from Oxfam. I just try to get cards to suit the recipient.

JackyB Fri 03-Jun-22 11:15:11

youtu.be/0YyUyYdu9Fo

I hope you enjoy this sketch

StarDreamer Fri 03-Jun-22 11:50:33

M0nica wrote original art,

I like original art cards.

They usually have, on the back, details of the artist and often these days a web address.

Also the card can be framed amd thus become a permanent art object.

Also, the sender has chosen some art in the hope of it being enjoyed by the recipient.

ixion Fri 03-Jun-22 12:13:16

My parents were already doing this for me mid 1950s.
Backing of cereal packet cardboard, off cut of glass and electrical tape binding.
Cheap as chips.

Don't you have to limit or cull your collection offine art?

ixion Fri 03-Jun-22 12:15:47

Question:
When you do your framing, how do you keep the details of the artist and web address available for reference, please?

MrsKen33 Fri 03-Jun-22 13:03:01

I frame myself. Learnt it at art school. A label is put on the back with details of artist etc,.

StarDreamer Fri 03-Jun-22 13:16:59

ixion

Question:
When you do your framing, how do you keep the details of the artist and web address available for reference, please?

I use a pen to hand copy the information into a notebook.

Also, if there is a web link, the same information about the artist is often on the website.

ixion Fri 03-Jun-22 13:19:07

Do you keep the same style of frame each time?