Lilibet

My brother, the eldest child and I the youngest child have red hair, my sister, the middle child does not and neither do our parents or our grandparents. None of our children are red haired either!

Yes it was a bit odd.
It reminded me of all the Harry / Hewitt business.
That all started because of hair colour.
Hair has been very provocative on this thread!

I think it went 'downhill' after this...

I wonder who in Meghan's family carries the red-haired gene?

A seemingly innocent remark - but...

Maybe I'm naïve, but I can see the resemblance to both Harry and Meghan. And even tho' I'm not a Royalist... the photo' is charming and sweet... just a lovely snap of a little one year old tot on her birthday.

What's not to like?!

Dickens

Callistemon21

I started this thread with the best of intentions and I really wish I hadn't bothered.

Surely though your experience on GN would tell you that anything written about Meghan and Harry is going to attract some negativity?

Even a lovely photo' of a sweet innocent child.

I've had a lot of experience of GN since before Meghan met Harry Dickens and it was never like this.

There was aa wider variety of threads, interesting conversations and some disagreements but never this bad.

Callistemon21

I started this thread with the best of intentions and I really wish I hadn't bothered.

Surely though your experience on GN would tell you that anything written about Meghan and Harry is going to attract some negativity?

Even a lovely photo' of a sweet innocent child.

Callistemon I know that feeling

I started this thread with the best of intentions and I really wish I hadn't bothered.

BigTed

Dickens

TanaMa

Sorry my comment raised such ire but I can assure you I am definitely NOT racist, it was meant as a genuine query. Signs of the times when a normal comment is immediately put into a convenient box. I don't know the woman so can't say I like or dislike her so can't see why I am supposed to be saying otherwise.

I genuinely don't get your point.

Women (and some men) from different backgrounds / heritage have always played around with hair colour and hair styles. There's one - a celebrity whose name I can't remember - who dyes her hair blond, an sometimes pink, but is fiercely proud of her black heritage.

And we borrow from their cultures too, think of 'dreadlocks'. We curl our hair, we straighten it, sometimes cut it all off in a 'crew' cut, then allow it to grow long again.

A friend of mine paints her hands with henna with a lovely lacey pattern sometimes, but it hasn't made her any less British.

What you're implying is that if someone is proud of their heritage they should stick to their 'natural' look / locks as 'proof' which seems pretty weird to me. Women love fashion, we love the fact that we can do fantastic things with our hair and our make-up. My 14 year old grandson wears his hair in a topknot bun - a style worn by men in Ancient China... he lives in South Africa, and is a dedicated Anglophile.

Is there any logical reason why Meghan shouldn't do what millions of other women do - from all over the world?

I'm not accusing you of being racist - I simply think it's a strange observation. Forgetting for a moment all the hooha surrounding her and Harry - she looks lovely with her hair styled the way it is... and probably knows it suits her. So why on earth not wear it as she does?

You differentiate between “we” and “they” …. “We borrow from their cultures..”
and earlier in your post “ there’s one [sic] - a celebrity ….who dyes her hair blond …”

You may not realise the fundamental underlying racism in what you’ve said?

“We” to me is all of us! Not a “we” and “they”.

... well, that's your take.

I'm talking about a demographic - those with mixed heritage who care about their roots. As opposed to those who don't or aren't bothered.

If you want to highlight something specific that affects certain groups of people, but not others, it's not unusual to refer to the groups as "they".

If, for example, I wanted to mention how certain issues affected children, or young working people, or pensioners, and said something along the lines of "they are more disadvantaged by the rising cost of living"... would you have picked me up on my choice of the word, they?

Dickens

TanaMa

Sorry my comment raised such ire but I can assure you I am definitely NOT racist, it was meant as a genuine query. Signs of the times when a normal comment is immediately put into a convenient box. I don't know the woman so can't say I like or dislike her so can't see why I am supposed to be saying otherwise.

I genuinely don't get your point.

Women (and some men) from different backgrounds / heritage have always played around with hair colour and hair styles. There's one - a celebrity whose name I can't remember - who dyes her hair blond, an sometimes pink, but is fiercely proud of her black heritage.

And we borrow from their cultures too, think of 'dreadlocks'. We curl our hair, we straighten it, sometimes cut it all off in a 'crew' cut, then allow it to grow long again.

A friend of mine paints her hands with henna with a lovely lacey pattern sometimes, but it hasn't made her any less British.

What you're implying is that if someone is proud of their heritage they should stick to their 'natural' look / locks as 'proof' which seems pretty weird to me. Women love fashion, we love the fact that we can do fantastic things with our hair and our make-up. My 14 year old grandson wears his hair in a topknot bun - a style worn by men in Ancient China... he lives in South Africa, and is a dedicated Anglophile.

Is there any logical reason why Meghan shouldn't do what millions of other women do - from all over the world?

I'm not accusing you of being racist - I simply think it's a strange observation. Forgetting for a moment all the hooha surrounding her and Harry - she looks lovely with her hair styled the way it is... and probably knows it suits her. So why on earth not wear it as she does?

You differentiate between “we” and “they” …. “We borrow from their cultures..”
and earlier in your post “ there’s one [sic] - a celebrity ….who dyes her hair blond …”

You may not realise the fundamental underlying racism in what you’ve said?

“We” to me is all of us! Not a “we” and “they”.

Pippa22

I am going to be shot down but I think it is a sweet little girl but an awful picture. She looks as if she has no legs or is sitting in a hole. If Archie was in U.K. it would have been lovely to see a picture of them both together perhaps with the cake. However as they are no longer royals maybe we shouldn’t expect to see pictures at all. I do think it is really very sad that with so many cousins around they just spent the birthday it seems with the paid photographer, his wife and children. A long way to travel and at huge environmental cost just to pose at a window on Thursday and be at a church service on Friday. It was a silly day to plan a birthday party with so many Jubilee events keeping the royals busy.

To recap, after criticizing the picture of a one year old, you would have also liked a picture of her older brother…to further critique? And you are perplexed as to why the parents chose to celebrate the child’s birthday on…. her birthday?

Grany
I'm interested in other posters' views whether or not I agree with them but I stand by what I said.

Many of your posts are word for word propaganda from the Republic website.

I’m sure her Majesty had her reasons for denying the photo.
Who are we mere mortals to question the question of such a wise lady.

I thought the baby was to be called Lili. Everyone seems to be calling her Lilibet.
She looks happy, whatever she’s called, and has a lovely toothy smile… surprising numbers of teeth for one.

I think she looks like the Markles- Thomas has red to his hair.

Maybe they will arrange a photo shoot with Thomas and Megans’ family? Samantha too is strawberry blond.

Such a pity Megan doesn’t seem to get along with her own family - and Archie and Lili will be so isolated growing up.

The Royal cousins were having such a blast together.

It’s such a pity they didn’t want to do the job.
I guess that’s their choice though.

I think there might be a lot of therapy in future for those wee babes when they realise what their parents’ choices meant for them.

TanaMa

Sorry my comment raised such ire but I can assure you I am definitely NOT racist, it was meant as a genuine query. Signs of the times when a normal comment is immediately put into a convenient box. I don't know the woman so can't say I like or dislike her so can't see why I am supposed to be saying otherwise.

I genuinely don't get your point.

Women (and some men) from different backgrounds / heritage have always played around with hair colour and hair styles. There's one - a celebrity whose name I can't remember - who dyes her hair blond, an sometimes pink, but is fiercely proud of her black heritage.

And we borrow from their cultures too, think of 'dreadlocks'. We curl our hair, we straighten it, sometimes cut it all off in a 'crew' cut, then allow it to grow long again.

A friend of mine paints her hands with henna with a lovely lacey pattern sometimes, but it hasn't made her any less British.

What you're implying is that if someone is proud of their heritage they should stick to their 'natural' look / locks as 'proof' which seems pretty weird to me. Women love fashion, we love the fact that we can do fantastic things with our hair and our make-up. My 14 year old grandson wears his hair in a topknot bun - a style worn by men in Ancient China... he lives in South Africa, and is a dedicated Anglophile.

Is there any logical reason why Meghan shouldn't do what millions of other women do - from all over the world?

I'm not accusing you of being racist - I simply think it's a strange observation. Forgetting for a moment all the hooha surrounding her and Harry - she looks lovely with her hair styled the way it is... and probably knows it suits her. So why on earth not wear it as she does?

Oh, it does.

I've never felt the need to tell people I'm not racist because I don't do or say things that make people think I'm racist. ?

It doesn't mean anything of the sort.

If you think you need to tell people you're not racist, that usually means...

Anyway, if lots of people tell you (generic) that a comment you made is racist, that tells you something, doesn't it?

TanaMa

Sorry my comment raised such ire but I can assure you I am definitely NOT racist, it was meant as a genuine query. Signs of the times when a normal comment is immediately put into a convenient box. I don't know the woman so can't say I like or dislike her so can't see why I am supposed to be saying otherwise.

But, as I said up thread, why does anyone do anything to their hair?

katy1950

She looks like megan's sister samantha

She has the Markle genes, just like Archie

Sorry my comment raised such ire but I can assure you I am definitely NOT racist, it was meant as a genuine query. Signs of the times when a normal comment is immediately put into a convenient box. I don't know the woman so can't say I like or dislike her so can't see why I am supposed to be saying otherwise.

tanith

She is lovely has Harry’s colouring. I just read that Harry and Megan wanted their photographer to take pictures when they took Lili to meet the Queen and were told No in no uncertain terms, as it was a private family visit.

It was probably for Netflix - the queen was right

but surely one of a little girl and her great grandmother for the family would be so lovely to have.

... but as they have proved they can't be trusted with anything, and have actually been very spiteful towards Harry's family, why should the Queen put herself out for them?

tanith

She is lovely has Harry’s colouring. I just read that Harry and Megan wanted their photographer to take pictures when they took Lili to meet the Queen and were told No in no uncertain terms, as it was a private family visit.

That seems a bit sad, I can understand them not being "allowed" to publish photos; but surely one of a little girl and her great grandmother for the family would be so lovely to have.

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She looks like megan's sister samantha

I do think it is really very sad that with so many cousins around they just spent the birthday it seems with the paid photographer, his wife and children.

Except...

Those who are said to have also been at Frogmore Cottage include Zara and Mike Tindall's three children, Mia, eight, Lena, three, and Lucas, one, as well as Savannah, 11, and Isla, 10, daughters of Peter Phillips and Autumn Kelly.

The Mail again. Sorry.