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Supergranuation Fri 10-Jun-22 09:29:20

I’ve just started my family tree and found that there was a baby born in the 1950’s in Scotland who died at 9 months old. The reason on the birth certificate was ‘Natural Causes’. I have seen pictures of the baby boy sitting up at about 8 months old and he looked perfectly healthy so I’m wondering what Natural Causes could mean. SIDS maybe? Any ideas anyone? Many thanks

lemsip Fri 10-Jun-22 09:37:50

it means an illness,,,, no murders or assault.....

BigBertha1 Fri 10-Jun-22 09:55:10

Sadly it could be Infant Cot Death.

Baggs Fri 10-Jun-22 09:57:53

As BigBertha says, it sounds as if it could have been SIDS (Sudden Infants Death Syndrome). So sad.

Kate1949 Fri 10-Jun-22 10:02:58

Unfortunately as we know, things happen to healthy, happy babies. My brother died at 9 months old. Perfectly healthy. He developed severe excema. They took him into hospital where he caught pneumonia and died.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 10-Jun-22 10:03:12

Or it could have been an illness or condition for which the doctor didn’t have a name, but would nowadays.

Kate1949 Fri 10-Jun-22 10:03:33

This was the 1950s.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 10-Jun-22 10:09:15

They didn’t have the sophisticated diagnostic techniques that we have today Kate.

Kate1949 Fri 10-Jun-22 10:13:52

Indeed GSM

Supergranuation Fri 10-Jun-22 10:18:47

Thanks everyone, SIDS was my suspicion, very, very sad ?

M0nica Fri 10-Jun-22 10:32:32

I think it would be SIDS, which I do not think had a name then nor was there any idea of its cause. If the child had died of pneumonia, that would be on the death certificate.

'natural causes' usually means: that the subsequent post mortem was unable to identify a cause for the death.

Nowadays, it is so much easier through tests of body fluids, and organs to find the cause of death and the phrase 'natural causes' is much less common.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 10-Jun-22 10:45:56

Does the death certificate indicate whether an inquest was held Supergranuation? Also, whether the death took place at home or in hospital, and who the informant was and their qualification, e.g. present at the death? All these things help to build up a picture and, if an inquest was held, it may have been reported in the local paper and give you a lot of detail. If the death certificate indicates that there was a post mortem, you may be able to obtain a copy of the pathologist's notes from the hospital - I did this in respect of my grandfather who died in 1930. Grim reading.

Biscuitmuncher Fri 10-Jun-22 11:16:03

My dad died 20 years ago and they couldn't find what was wrong with him and his death certificate says natural causes

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 10-Jun-22 11:24:39

That must have been very difficult Biscuitmuncher. ?

CaravanSerai Fri 10-Jun-22 11:30:36

My grandmother died in 1997 at home age 90. Certificated by the local GP, he gave cause of death as "old age".

Recently, I acquired a death certificate from 1845 where the cause of death given by the coroner was "The visitation of God from natural causes". At first I thought this was simply a phrase used by a poetical, Christian man but later discovered this was a commonly used description when the death was inexplicable. It was thought that God had decided that it was time for the person to die.

It wasn’t until 1869 that the Royal College of Physicians published guidance called the Nomenclature of Disease which was issued to every doctor in the United Kingdom. It was an attempt to create a common standard of classification to the various causes of death, and doctors were urged to use the guide when completing a death certificate.

If no specific cause of death was given, the Registrar would be likely to return the certificate requesting the doctor to make a better diagnosis. Despite this, later legislation, and the advancement of medical knowledge, Visitation of God can still be found on the occasional death certificate up until 1900.

Off topic but may be useful to other family historians who encounter this phrase.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 10-Jun-22 11:35:42

‘Senile decay’ was the cause of death of one of my ancestors in the early 1900s. Old age sounds kinder.

Wheniwasyourage Fri 10-Jun-22 11:42:03

If the baby died in Scotland, Germanshepherdsmum, there wouldn't have been an inquest. We don't have coroners and inquests here (in spite of errors in the works of some of our own writers - yes, looking at you, Chris Brookmyre). An unexplained death would be referred to the Procurator Fiscal, who will decide whether a postmortem or an enquiry needs to take place, or whether s/he can allow the doctor to issue a death certificate. If a postmortem takes place, the pathologist can sign the certificate. I'm assuming that the system was the same in the 1950s, but am prepared to be corrected.

Could the death have been due to a sudden overwhelming infection, like meningitis for instance?

paddyann54 Fri 10-Jun-22 11:57:25

My cousin died at 9 months of natural causes,he was put down for the night and didn't wake up. Now would be SIDS.That was 1942 ,his father was at war and didn't see him at all.My aunt had a photograph printed to include his dad in it ,he looked a lovely healthy baby boy ,so sad .

Calendargirl Fri 10-Jun-22 12:08:06

”The visitation from God of natural causes”

That sounds rather lovely and peaceful.

Calendargirl Fri 10-Jun-22 12:09:13

Got that wrong way round, the ‘from’ and ‘of’, but still like the sound of it.

Supergranuation Fri 10-Jun-22 13:39:16

Thanks Germansheperdsmum, On the original Birth Certificate there is a line through Cause of Death. I have found a copy of a Registration of Corrected Entries dated a month later which says that the cause of death was Natural Causes. I googled what that register was for and it seems that is carried out in cases of accidental, sudden or suspicious death where the reason may not have been established at the time. Thanks to everyone for your comments and help. Your stories are all very sad but I suppose when doing a family tree we are bound to find some sad and some happy things. I know for sure I won’t find that I’m related to the Queen like that very intelligent lady on The Chase!!!

Supergranuation Fri 10-Jun-22 13:41:29

Sorry Germansheperdsmum, I forgot to say that the baby died at home at 7.45am.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 10-Jun-22 14:01:59

I wonder if it was something other than SIDS then, unless that was the time the baby was found dead, though a bit late to be checking on a little one who hadn’t made a noise I would have thought. So sad. Yes we do find lots of sad things when researching our family history, but we can keep their memory alive.

Supergranuation Fri 10-Jun-22 14:51:06

That's just what I thought GSM but then maybe he was teething they'd had a restless night and she put him back down for a nap at 7.00am went to check on him at 7.45am and found he'd died. Am I just making excuses? I don't know but my imagination is running wild at the moment. I think I have to let it go now and move on to another family member.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 10-Jun-22 14:57:48

What you suggest is certainly possible. What WhenIwasyourage says above about the Scottish system is interesting (thanks W, I didn’t know that). Personally I think I would interrogate that death certificate a little more before moving on - who registered the death and do they say they were present? If the little one was ill you would expect the mother or another close relative to be present as the death occurred at home.