"Well at least they're not at home playing on their x box"

Happysexagenarian

You made me laugh ... wished I had been there when tou took your loud hailer ... good on you

I call mine in by 7 at the latest. We have families with toddlers who I don’t want to disturb plus my own toddler. I don’t think it’s fair or just that anyone’s noise should impact anyone else and their enjoyment. Mine are told to be considerate and are called in if too noisy/ shriek. Mine my older two are hearing impaired and don’t always wear their hearing aids doing certain activities eg trampoline. They don’t realise but do quieten down when asked to. I think 7pm is quiet down time. Others want to enjoy the evening and the garden at this time of year too.

Witzend. "Don't do that, or the library lady will be cross."

That reminded me of a time when a child was misbehaving in the Post Office queue. A policeman was just behind them, and the child's mother told her to behave, or "the policeman will take you away."
The policeman gave her a good telling-off, saying that the child might need help, one day, and be afraid to approach a policeman because of her words.
Of course, these days, we rarely see any police about to help anyone!
Reference the subject of children screaming while playing, I agree that they should be trained to be more considerate. We were never allowed to make excessive noise. We did, however, use the house wall at the end of the street to play ball games against. The thudding probably annoyed the occupants, but we never gave it a thought, at the time, and they never complained.

There is a difference between the sounds of happy children enjoying themselves (I was at the seaside yesterday and it was great to hear and watch them playing) and the relentless noise of inconsiderate neighbours with either balls being kicked, drums being banged or ghetto blasters where you cannot escape from it. Barking dogs annoys and upsets me because I imagine they are left for hours alone.

Two toddlers in buggies on the bus the other day screaming at each other. Ear piercing screams..mothers/carers chatting, seemingly oblivious.
Eventually I suggested they might shut up if they couldn't see eachother, the children that is. Both adults turned on me and said "can't you see they are autistic!!"
So they are excused then? I wanted to ask why the carers weren't interacting with the children. Alas I just tried to ignore them for the rest of the ride.

I was recently having lunch with a friend in the cafe of a garden centre. Two ladies with their toddlers aged about two were sitting close by. Both children screamed the whole time we were there. They were not upset just liked the sound of their own voices. The noise made your teeth bleed and you could see people looking at them silently pleading with the mums to put a stop to the excruciating noise. They were completely oblivious to the annoyance their children were causing. I would never have allowed my children to make such a racket. It would have got on my nerves let alone strangers.

aonk

This time of year, the best in my opinion, when we have warm weather and long days should be used to the advantage of children who often don’t get enough exercise and fresh air in the winter months. Live and let live!
My father was very strict and I was never allowed to play outside or mix with the neighbours’ children. I was sent to bed early and only allowed to play quiet games. Unhappy memories for me looking out of the window at the other children having fun. Now I love the company of children everywhere I go and really can’t understand this desire for “ peace and quiet.”

Really? You can't understand why people want a bit of peace and quiet in their own homes at 9.30 in the evening?

Surely everyone should be allowed enjoy Sumner, in a way that is mindful of the needs of all neighbours of all ages and in all circumstances.

Or at least drown them out.

A head teacher tried the experiment of playing Mozart in the corridors when the pupils were on the move. It calmed everybody down and stopped the pushing and shoving.
Vintagejazz's friend could try for a bit of culture and play Mozart loudly. You never know, the children might shut up and actually like it. It would certainly confuse them.

I think that if you don't understand the need for peace and quiet you can't know how soul-destroying it can be to have no escape from incessant noise.

Some people might not mind it. Some may even enjoy it, but others really need peace at times. I don't think that people need an excuse - it's just that everyone is different, and expecting those who need peace to 'live and let live' is akin to expecting an introvert to give a public speech, or a party animal to spend all her time alone.

Children do need to run off steam, and I accept that there isn't always a park or playing field nearby, and that not all parents can take them to a beach or open land to play on. But at the same time, children also need to learn to consider other people, if they are going to grow into considerate adults.

I see no harm in them playing and making play level noise. They are not going to be quiet however much adults might want it. But there is a huge difference between laughter and a bit of shouting to one another, and constant screaming, isn't there?

Surely there is a middle ground?
A few hours of screaming and shrieking, followed by being asked to tone it down a bit.

This time of year, the best in my opinion, when we have warm weather and long days should be used to the advantage of children who often don’t get enough exercise and fresh air in the winter months. Live and let live!
My father was very strict and I was never allowed to play outside or mix with the neighbours’ children. I was sent to bed early and only allowed to play quiet games. Unhappy memories for me looking out of the window at the other children having fun. Now I love the company of children everywhere I go and really can’t understand this desire for “ peace and quiet.”

annsixty

I have been accused on this forum of being a miserable old woman for complaining about children being so noisy.
Slightly different scenario as this was younger children playing in their own garden, screaming constantly for hours and banging a football on our shared fence.
I got the same, they are only children, they need to be outside etc.
To live with it is very different.
I had to buy noise reducing headphones to sit in my own garden.
No fun at all.

I completely agree with you, not miserable at all. Those who say that don’t endure it.

We live near a park and although I live the sound of children playing, the screeching and shrieking drives me crazy. I don’t understand why children aren’t told that noise, for the sake of it, is really unnecessary. As is swearing.

We were driving around Taunton's ring road at 9.30pm on our way home from collecting new bees on Wednesday evening. At a request crossing with lights was a little girl 6? (At a push) all alone, waiting to cross. My kids are 35 and 36 and grew up in a small country market town; I'd never have allowed them to wonder about alone at that age...or at that time of night ? I wanted to stop but traffic was fast, and I'd have been a stranger...but it really worried me.

We were bought in if we got too rowdy.
One warning and in.
Nothing wrong with asking children to consider others.

I’m ok with kids noise….I’m one of six …and we made noise! Seems to me kids can’t win these days…..if they’re sitting in playing on gadgets they are wrong….if they’re playing in the street , they are wrong . 9.30 perhaps a little late for screeching games, and perhaps parents could be a little more circumspect about time….. calling them in by at least 8.30 or 9. But otherwise , I prefer to hear them all out and about …..so very soon it’ll be exams….exams….exams….work …work and more work til they’re 70+…….. let’s leave them alone.!

I wish I'd been a fly on the wall when you took the loudhailer round ?

We once had a near neighbour whose 7 or 8 year old daughter would keep shouting for her friend, two streets away, to come out to play. This was at 6 - 7am every morning through the holidays. She just kept on shouting until she got a response, sometimes for two or three hours! This was accompanied by her parents shouting and swearing at her.

I went to speak to her mother and took my husband's loudhailer with me. When she opened the door I spoke to her through the loudhailer and suggested the child might like to borrow it to avoid losing her voice every morning when she shouts to her friend! The mother looked at me blankly (she wasn't the sharpest knife in the box), then looked sheepish and apologised. She said she'd tell her not to make a noise before 7.30. I said make it 8am and I won't complain to the council. Mornings were quieter after that.

But I agree that constant screaming and screeching is very annoying. Perhaps your friend could have a quiet and friendly word with the children themselves, point out that there may be babies and shift workers trying to sleep and could they just stop the screaming please. At 8 to 11 years old they're not 'terrifying' teenagers and if their parents should come knocking on her door she doesn't have to answer if she doesn't want to.

* intagejazz* I agree it's the screaming snd shouting that is so annoying. I live in a very small estate. Has a grassed area surrounded on 3 sides by access roads and the fourth runs parallel to a property. The grassed area has Conditions of No Ball Games or Cycling permitted. Anyone with common sense can see why. But no, football banging away for hours, hitting planting, fences parked cars and the resultant shouting to one another when playing.Those who live close by have to put up with the noise and disturbance. My part of the estate has very few children. The kids making the noise live at the top where parents/carers can't see what's going on. They will hear but to a lesser extent. Screaming seems the way to communicate nowadays especially girls. Children out on bikes at weekend noise was appalling. Shouting to one another about 100 yds away. Couldn't ride up to friend to speak. I am convinced there is very soon going to be a generation of hearing disability when I hear adults speaking so loudly, shouting at children, music blaring in cars and elsewhere. I live about 150 yds from the grassed area and on Wednesday 10 pm I heard most of the conversations between the kids playing there. Ask them to tone it down? May as well ask them to stop breathing. This is in an area where if there is any poverty it's well hidden. All detached properties, high end cars in driveways, but consideration for others - None.

Sorry - that was to biglouis

Hmmm. That's a bit like saying that if you have a sore foot you should stamp on the other one to take your mind off it .

I accept that if the noise is unbearable you might have to do something for the sake of sanity, but there is another option, which is for parents to teach consideration. Nobody expects silent play, but there is no need for screaming, and definitely not late at night. Quite apart from the issue of the screaming annoying the neighbours, learning to consider other people is a good lesson for life in general.

^ ...screeching and screaming, directly outside her house at 9.30pm...These children were about 8 to 11 years old, apparently.^

Blimey, mine would have been in bed by this time. We would have had enough of the row ourselves!

If you want to blot out the noise of children ear plugs, head phones and a loud TV or radio are your friends.

If the noise/music is something that YOU put on then its possible to zone it out because you have control over it. You can then use it to cover the noises you dont want to hear. I always put in earplugs and music on when I have a task I want to concentrate on. It covers the noise of anything going on outside which I am not interested in.

Who said children should be sitting indoors all day?

Absolutely nobody, but these threads always end up with suggestions that wanting a bit of peace in your own home equates to being a child-hating misery who wants children to be seen and not heard.

There is a middle ground between feral children and square-eyed prisoners kept in bedrooms - it just takes a bit of effort from parents and carers to teach them to think of others.