Travellers invading local park.

From Citizens Advice :
Gypsies and Travellers - race discrimination.
The equalities act 2010 says yiu mustn’t be discriminated against because of yiur race. If you’re a Gypsy or a Traveller yiu may be protected against race discrimination, it’s race discrimination is you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things
;
Colour
Nationality
Ethnic origin
National origin

Some gypsies and travellers are protected against discrimination on the basis of their ethnic origin Romany gypsies and Irish Travellrrs are protected because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality ACT

It’s not to do with whether they’re white

I was just coming to say you are right Iam64 but you have already posted the relevant information.

I am 64, it is not racism if someone is of the same ethnic origin as you. If something happens and it is between a say for example a West Indian and African due to where they come from it is prejudice or discrimination it is not racist as they are the same ethnic origin.

Jaxjacky

Happened near us last week, the children’s public paddling pool had to be closed, emptied and refilled, people were washing and defecating in it.
Section 61 invoked by council/police to move them, now they’re a few miles away to make more mess.

I think you must live nearby as they came to us next - used an angle grinder to break in a public park - over 50 caravans and took 3 days for police to invoke section 61!! In the meantime they shat in the woods and park, went round helping themselves to water to fill up their water containers (without asking), raided the local shops so they ended up closing completely and were generally disruptive and foul mouthed.

We had a general clean up operation of rubbish today and the council will be doing an environmental clean up of human poo etc on Monday. Thank god they’ve moved on! Q

It’s the total mess they leave behind and the disregard they have for the community that I hate. Nobody feels safe - they were near a school and one mum, taking her kids to school via a shortcut, came across a man in his underpants who had just defecated!

Apparently they don’t like using their own toilets in their trailers/caravans as they consider it dirty and not the done thing. It wouldn’t be so bad if they took a spade and buried it in the ground rather then leave their excrement and wet wipes everywhere! Makes me so cross ?

Roma and Irish travellers are not even the same ethnic origin so how would you know you share one with either rafichagran?

How do you work thst out rafichagran? There’s the law which applies to all of us

I’m in no way defending the. lawless abusive behaviour some in the travelling community enjoy
I know many Irish and Romany gypsies who have experienced terrible abuse, racism from people simply because of their race and ethnic background. Children subjected to racism can’t be defended

Iam64

How do you work thst out rafichagran? There’s the law which applies to all of us

I’m in no way defending the. lawless abusive behaviour some in the travelling community enjoy
I know many Irish and Romany gypsies who have experienced terrible abuse, racism from people simply because of their race and ethnic background. Children subjected to racism can’t be defended

But is the abuse levelled at them because of the (poor) actions of some of their community, rather than their ethnicity? Perhaps some Spanish people, say, think that all young English men are “louts” because of the behaviour of some English lads on holiday there?

I would never defend racism, but I honestly believe with travelers it is prejudice and not racism.
I dont think posters are saying all travellers are the same and I dont think they have been racist, I think they are angry with what has happened in their communities and the mess left behind.
I think people get angry as it has had an effect on their lives.

Whoever they are this is criminal behaviour. They're breaking umpteen laws.

Marsha - is it ever ok to discriminate against any group based on the actions of some?
I’m taking about children being threatened and called abusive names linked to their ethnic origin.
I’m not defending the kind of behaviour described by other posters. I’ve met violent criminals from the gypsy community as I have from the many varied communities in our country
I’ve met many more law abiding, friendly peopke in thst community. There caravans/prefabs/houses immaculate. Family central. I found pride, understanding and sadness thst there traditional way of life is now impossible

I’m with other posters, criminal behaviour should be prosecuted

Iam64

I’m with other posters, criminal behaviour should be prosecuted

So am I, and I think discriminating against travelar children is wrong.

The caravanners who were moved on from attempting to set up their group in the local supermarket carpark and who broke down the gate to park on a local playing field were friendly enough, but the detritus they left behind was sickening.

Mollygo

The caravanners who were moved on from attempting to set up their group in the local supermarket carpark and who broke down the gate to park on a local playing field were friendly enough, but the detritus they left behind was sickening.

This is what posters are upset about, the mess, the money it costs to clean up after them, plus other misdemours.

If travellers set up camp where I live they are normally gone within 24hrs luckily. Letters are immediately posted on lampposts and fencing evicting them? The last travellers we had on our industrial estate arrived during Covid and left after a few days - they put all their general rubbish in bin liners which I’ve never seen happen before usually leave piles of stuff.

It’s the lawlessness that pi….me off. If any of us behaved like they do we’d be in serious trouble yet the police around here completely turn a blind eye.
As for the disgusting mess we’re expected to put up with and pay to be cleared ?

As others have said, not all travellers are trouble. A family parks up near our village every year for on week in July. They keep the area they're in very clean. When they leave the only evidence that they were there are a few black bin backs tied and neatly stacked awaiting collection by the dustmen.