Prince Harry’s speech

Upsetting, is it? When someone differs from your view of a public person and says so in no uncertain terms?

I don't know Catherine and I don't know Meghan. Although I've seen Catherine in the flesh; she had too much make up on and was too thin by far. Didn't even stop to say hello to the crowd of old ladies who'd waited in the street to see her. William did stop to chat to people. Catherine was into that car like a ferret up a drainpipe. No cameras around, see.

I have a view of Catherine based on that, and the fact that I live only a few miles from St Andrews and know people who taught them. Maybe people will disagree with me. Probably will.

But if Meghan gets criticism for the things she does, then Catherine is fair game too. Her lovely hair won't save her.

No, not sauce for the goose.
If you object to unkind comments about one person, you cannot in all conscience make unkind comments about another.
I have said nothing bad about Meghan. I have said nothing bad about Catherine. I have tried to discuss the facts. In fact, I started the thread and it’s supposed to be about Harry, not his wife, nor his sister in law. I do not understand the idea that it’s wrong to make horrible remarks about a person, but then carry on and make horrible remarks about a different person. Apparently being horrid is not acceptable, but actually it is, if the person making the remarks has decided it’s okay to do it to a person they have decided is fair game. It’s good job that the sauce for the goose argument isn’t acceptable in schools with pupils, or courts of law.
I’m disappointed with such an argument.

volver

maddyone

The one that’s married to English Rose Barbie.

If you object to unkind comments about Meghan, then it would further your cause to not make unkind comments about Catherine.

Sauce for the goose.

Absolutely.

Namsnanny

If you think Harry's worries were to do with seat belts and gun laws then, yes. "Recollections" certainly do differ.

Really ?
Well, clearly there is no 'we' is there?
I thought facts were quite pertinent, but then maybe when discussing the issue of the Royals, recollections may differ.

We're very literal on here, aren't we?

Seat belts and gun laws. That's the point. Not.

volver

Oh dear. Did Harry react differently to St William? The one that's married to English Rose Barbie?

"Battered" fgs. They are quite capable of bringing themselves down.

I don't compare them, like all of us they are different characters,
As for being genuinely worried for his wife's life being in danger, he lives in one of the most gun obsessed countries he could have possibly chosen (Sorry American grans, just trying to be straightforward).
Also, both he and his wife have been photographed not wearing seatbelts.
Forgive me if I conclude that the facts of his Mothers death have passed him by.
I judge his behaviour against my own, as I've been in a similar situation (not my mother, but I was a child), and I can tell you, seat belts are not obligatory in our house.
As always with Harry and Meghan their actions and words do not marry up.

maddyone I agree those words sound rather paranoid. What on earth is going on in his head?

maddyone

^The one that’s married to English Rose Barbie.^

If you object to unkind comments about Meghan, then it would further your cause to not make unkind comments about Catherine.

Sauce for the goose.

No. Because he is idolized by some because he does what he's told and doesn't rock the royal boat.

The one that’s married to English Rose Barbie.

If you object to unkind comments about Meghan, then it would further your cause to not make unkind comments about Catherine.

It is not at all unusual for someone who has mental health issues to be manipulated.

So William is to be mocked and sneered at because he manages his grief privately and has a beautiful supportive wife and three lovely children ?

Of course I’m not a doctor but……

So surely the moral of the situation is, always wear a seatbelt in a car, don’t get in a car with a drunk driver, and stick to speed limits.

Thank you Joseanne for the full quote.

You want to talk about history repeating itself, they’re not going to stop until she dies.

This indicates to me severe mental health issues.

Oh dear. Did Harry react differently to St William? The one that's married to English Rose Barbie?

"Battered" fgs. They are quite capable of bringing themselves down.

Agreed Jaberwok that his cruelty to his family has turned so many people against him. He is behaving as though he has no heart, that's for sure.

William also lost his mother that night a fact that seems to get forgotten. Hearts? Who for? Certainly for a family that's constantly being battered by one member who seems determined to bring them down. He won't succeed of course, as these actions are proving counter productive by being overplayed.

What is wrong with you people? Have you no hearts?

Just because he sees parallels doesn't make it true.

It does however make it a very real psychological problem for him to have to work through.
Which I have sympathy for.

A cynic could make a case for it to be a convenient way to gain more public sympathy and attention.
This point of view was, afterall aired at one of his Oprah interviews.

Chestnut

^Harry said something like, his mother was chased to her death while she was with someone who wasn't white. Which, I think, is factually correct.^
That's a very weird thing to say because why would the colour of the other person have any relevance unless you were indicating it was relevant? The reporters were after pictures of her and her boyfriend, whatever colour he was.

Really? Are you serious?

Harry remembers how as a child his mother was in a relationship with a person of colour. While that relationship was ongoing, his mother was chased by paparazzi and died. Now there is no suggestion of murder, or intention, or any of that. But he is now in a relationship with a person of colour who the paparazzi and gutter press were taking a pop at.

You don't have to be Freud to understand he could see parallels and wanted to avoid them as much as possible. You do, however, have to be someone who isn't determined to interpret every single thing you ever read about M&H as negative.

Here maddyone ......
"My mother was chased to her death while she was in a relationship with someone who wasn't white.
And now look what's happened.
You want to talk about history repeating itself, they're not going to stop until she dies.
It's incredibly triggering to potentially lose another woman in my life. Like, the list is growing."
'And it all comes back to the same people, the same business model, the same industry.'

When did Harry allegedly say this? Was it during the furore over Meghan and the racist allegations? Did he link it to this?
Or, was said at a completely different time? Does Harry really believe his mother died because she was dating a man who wasn’t white? It all seems a bit strange to me. Diana certainly wasn’t murdered, she died in a car accident, and as I said before, because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt and got into a car that was to be driven by a drunk who was speeding. The paparazzi hold some, but certainly not all, of the responsibility because it’s possible that the driver wouldn’t have been speeding if they weren’t being chased. But then again, he might still have been speeding. He was drunk after all.

Harry said something like, his mother was chased to her death while she was with someone who wasn't white. Which, I think, is factually correct.
That's a very weird thing to say because why would the colour of the other person have any relevance unless you were indicating it was relevant? The reporters were after pictures of her and her boyfriend, whatever colour he was.