Another bastion bites the dust?

Dickens wrote I think - and hope - that when we generalise about "men" that we are automatically assuming it's understood that we are not including all men when making negative observations.

Well, what you think and hope is a matter for you, but if someone writes "men" without clarification that it is not "all men" that are being included then it is, in my opinon, not unreasonable for the statement to be read, and understood, as if it is meaning "all men".

When you write we, please remember that Gransnet is not a women only space.

"one year after more than 53,000 spectators turned out to watch at Goodison Park, the FA voted to ban women’s football. The sport’s governing body did not have the power to ban women from playing outright – that was impossible, so instead they ruled that women’s games were barred from FA-affiliated football grounds. The ban was to last for 51 years."

www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jun/13/how-the-fa-banned-womens-football-in-1921-and-tried-to-justify-it

MawtheMerrier wrote The FA even banned the womens’s game for 50 years, apparently because they feared its popularity!

Here is a link to a web story from Sky News.

The title on the page is different from the address of the page.

The title on the page is as follows.

> Euro 2022: Only in 1971 FA lifted half-century ban on women's organised football, now England are champions - what's next?

LINK > news.sky.com/story/euro-2022-the-glamour-and-national-focus-on-the-lionesses-should-not-mask-the-fact-that-challenges-remain-12663298

What I do not understand is on what basis the Football Association purportedly banned women's organised football.

They might have been able to say that the Football Association would not have anything to do with organising women's organised football. But as far as I am aware they had no right to ban it.

What is the history of this? Did they have rules such that no club that was holding Football Association membership could allow women to play on their football pitches, and restricttions of that nature?

I am wondering whether women were allowed to attend men's football matches as spectators.

Knittingnovice

Girls outperform boys at school due to changes in education. Qualifications were purely exam based, now they are mainly coursework based.

No, actually, they're not. Most GCSEs and A Levels (plus International Baccalaureate) are mostly exam based. In my subject (English), all three at 100% exam based.

But isn’t it wonderful that the world can be anybody’s oyster- boy or girl.
One film I have always loved is “Hidden Figures”in which 3 female African-American mathematicians play a pivotal role in astronaut John Glenn's launch into orbit, facing and overcoming the racial and gender workplace discrimination of the period.
Inspirational.
But it has taken nearly 60 years to get to this point today.

I just tried Papier.

They do have For Her and For Him and For Kids (sic) but in For Him and For Her there are various, though some are such as SIS and BRO.

I use Papier myself.

I agree absolutely with what you say RichmondPark , the stereotypes need to be consigned to history and girls and boys encouraged to strive for their own goals (no pun intended)

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Just done the same specifying “Girls “

Nobody is saying that stereotypes are right but they do exist, sadly.

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A quick visit to Moonpig came up with these within the first 12 offers

The really important thing that happened today is that more girls and women will feel at home at sporting fixtures and working on their physical fitness. More girls will get birthday cards with female footballers on.

What a great day for women.

StarDreamer

Thank you to those of you who included the word 'some' in your comments about men.

It always is some men. Men, like women, are not a homogenous group regardless of the fact that men share certain characteristics.

I think - and hope - that when we generalise about "men" that we are automatically assuming it's understood that we are not including all men when making negative observations.

Generally and personally speaking (and anecdotally) I've met far more nice men than the reverse!

If there has been an increase in sexual.assaults, and I think it's really difficult to know if it's an increase or an increase in females reporting, then I would be interested to know the impact porn has on that. There was going to be a government enquiry on the impact of porn particularly on young people, naively I believed that might happen.

Galaxy

GNHQ never did get back to us about the feminist section did they.

If I remember corectly, I believe that I positively supported the generation of a section on feminism.

Galaxy

Page 2 on a thread about misogyny, and Male violence and we are spending time trying to make sure mens feelings arent hurt.

Well, I consider it unfair to deem all men to have the same attitude towards women.

The OP wrote:

What do we associate with “boys’ “ birthday cards? Football.

I don't. I have had birthday cards, I don't remember any one of them being anything to do with football. I think I would have remembered, as I was a very poor performer at football and not interested in it. I was interested in astronomy and locomotives.

Where do men feel most at home? Sporting fixtures or physical fitness.

No. Each to their own and if some men enjoy going to football matches then good luck to them as I like people to be happy. But not my interest.

GNHQ never did get back to us about the feminist section did they.

Volver - imho yours is a classic example of ‘mansplaining’.

My daughter and her husband work in the same field and hold similar qualifications. An accountant acquaintance, telling an anecdote about his own work, punctuated it with ‘You’ll understand the maths of this’. This was said to sil, it just happens that it’s my daughter who has the maths degree…

ixion

^it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable^ timescale unless he explains it to her

An assumption again.

Yes, an assumption.

An assumption that it could be, yet it might not be.

Everything depends upon the circumstances of the particular situation that is being considered.

I’ve had women explain things to me in an equally demeaning manner when it was my job, it’s not just men, is there a specific word for that?

Mattsmum2

So what’s it called when a women explains something to a man in a patronising way? Womensplaining?

Never happens.

?

volver

StarDreamer

ixion

Then there is an assumption on the man's part that the woman will not understand without his help.

As here
- particularly if the woman to whom the explanation is ^being presented already knows the information that is being presented to her, even if the man is unaware of that prior knowledge and is trying to be helpful^

Not necessarily, it depends upon the circumstances.

He explaining something to her does not necessarily mean that she will not understand without his help, it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her.

The problem is the assumption.

it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her.

It could be that she wrote the actual software and it didn't cross his mind that this could be the case, so he carried on regardless.

It was only later that there was added You might have thought that me continually saying, "yes I know that, I wrote it" would have been a clue, but no.

That added information makes a big difference to the circumstances.

So what’s it called when a women explains something to a man in a patronising way? Womensplaining?

Was the discussion about how lesbians of colour feel about something?

Oh no my nephew wouldn't do that. He's a sweetheart ?

volver

Casdon

volver we need your headbanger.

Ta da!!!

Thank you. This!

it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her

An assumption again.