Jeremy Corbyn

Caleo There are many people in every political party and none who support the Palestinians and abhor Israels behaviour and violence towards them.

Using your argument, if Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson expressed solidarity with the Palestinian cause you would consider joining their party regardless of any other of their opinion and policies.

Well, that is one way to make a considered political decision. on the other hand............................................

I had a talk with my savvy son about this especially in view of Witzend's point.

He said already there is a selection of further left parties, none of which have a chance. So , in the absence of proportional representation , better to vote regular Labour, or Green as Green has half a chance.

Also that is why the Conservatives hate PR as that would reduce their supporters and increase left supporters.

MOnica, I do favour some single causes such as Palestinian rights. However single causes tend to clump together as approximately Left or approximately Right.

But only approximately.

He can do what he likes so long as he keeps well away from the Labour Party. He handed Johnson a huge mandate while destroying any chance that Labour could provide a credible opposition.

MOnica wrote: "But only approximately." (left or right)

That is why it's a pity proportional representation was not voted for.

But Caleo I am not sure how proportional representation would help when every party supported a policy you approved of. PP or no PP, at the end of the day you vote for one party not which of a range of policies you like in each party.

I am also not sure on what basis you think PR would disadvantage the Conservatives. More people vote Conservative than for other parties and few of those will put Labour down as a second choice and vice versa with Labour. We would probably end up with a Lib Dem government.

Lathyrus wrote:
"I respect Jeremy Corbyn as a man of principle in much the same way that I respected the late Tony Benn. But I have never considered him leadership material."

It's a matter of history that neither did Labour. My contention is that public mood has changed and many more people want moral leadership. Also Corbyn has shown, by his opinion on how to get peace , that he is pragmatic and not jingoist or opportunist.

Would I join a party started by Jeremy Corbyn?
No.

However, I wouldn’t join any political party at all!

“What I find disappointing is that hardly any of the world’s leaders use the word peace; they always use the language of more war, and more bellicose war.”

He's such a well-meaning sweetie, isn't he!

As if a chat to Putin and appealing to his better nature is going to work.
Perhaps he'd like to have a chat with the Chinese too, who are now circling Taiwan.

Expect he would have wanted peace talks with Hitler

Yes, I had respect for Tony Benn, no matter how much I disagreed with him. He was a man of honour and principle.

I certainly would not say that about Corbyn, a man who clearly decided early that the only way he could achieve any public recognition was by going against everything else everyone else, especially his party, stood for and if that meant consorting with terrorists and organisations that were unsvoury in the extreme, so be it. Except that whenever he was called out for his associations, instead of standing up and defending his views and justifying his support for these organisations, he became all meally mouthed and wriggly and tried to distance himself from his previous allies.

I have always felt that if this country was ever attacked and occupied by another country Tony Benn would have stood up for his principles, even unto death. Jeremy Corbyn would have collaborated.

Well, that is an alternative opinion of someone admired by many. It certainly isn't my perspective. But everyone differs.

Not my perspective either Gagajo but other people enjoy their own opinions.
And get away with saying very personally unpleasant things.

M0nica

Yes, I had respect for Tony Benn, no matter how much I disagreed with him. He was a man of honour and principle.

I certainly would not say that about Corbyn, a man who clearly decided early that the only way he could achieve any public recognition was by going against everything else everyone else, especially his party, stood for and if that meant consorting with terrorists and organisations that were unsvoury in the extreme, so be it. Except that whenever he was called out for his associations, instead of standing up and defending his views and justifying his support for these organisations, he became all meally mouthed and wriggly and tried to distance himself from his previous allies.

I have always felt that if this country was ever attacked and occupied by another country Tony Benn would have stood up for his principles, even unto death. Jeremy Corbyn would have collaborated.

Tony Benn was in constant battle with the LP most of his life. He went against everything his party stood for regularly and passionately. In fact he and Corbyn stood side by side on many matters. Of course TB is dead and Corbyn isn't. Perhaps that's the difference.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0PQMvH3DYU

Anniebach

When Corbyn was party leader the Communist Party announced they would not put forward a candidate in the two general elections.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, as m'learned friends say (ironically)

A bit of a case of 'The only good Labour leader is a dead leader' is it not?

Tony Benn was in constant battle with the LP most of his life. He went against everything his party stood for regularly and passionately. In fact he and Corbyn stood side by side on many matters. Of course TB is dead and Corbyn isn't. Perhaps that's the difference.

No, Tony Benn became the nation's favourite ex-politician, perhaps because he had charm, energy, passion and that over-rated word charisma.

Corbyn is like a damp squib in comparison.

Glorianny I couldn't care less who is alive or dead. It is to do with who is an honourable man who earns our respect, and who usn't. It doesn'y matter whether they share political views or not. I disagreed with Tony Benn's politics every bit as as much as I deplore Corbyn's.

The difference is the qualities of the men themselves. When Tony Benn was alive, I deplored his views and thought he was politically away with the fairies but I respected him as an honest and truthful man who earned my respect.

Corbyn, I do not respect him alive and I certainly will not respect him when he is dead.

M0nica

Glorianny I couldn't care less who is alive or dead. It is to do with who is an honourable man who earns our respect, and who usn't. It doesn'y matter whether they share political views or not. I disagreed with Tony Benn's politics every bit as as much as I deplore Corbyn's.

The difference is the qualities of the men themselves. When Tony Benn was alive, I deplored his views and thought he was politically away with the fairies but I respected him as an honest and truthful man who earned my respect.

Corbyn, I do not respect him alive and I certainly will not respect him when he is dead.

Perhaps because Corbyn actually led the LP and so was absolutely demonised and destroyed by the media, whereas Benn was never in a position of power. It's well known that the British love an underdog. No comments about the fact that Corbyn and Benn stood together on many platforms and ideas? In fact Corbyn was very much a protege of Benn, and Benn's diaries treat him with great respect and even see him as a prospective leader of the party. prruk.org/jeremy-corbyn-and-tony-benn-why-character-assassination-goes-with-returning-labour-to-its-socialist-roots

Yes I would join

Am I the only person who was desperately disappointed that Tony Benn had ordered his finances so as to avoid paying the death duties applicable to his estate? I'm not suggesting he did anything illegal, yes it was all within the law, but IMO he exploited every method to avoid paying the full due that many others did pay, and I was very disillusioned when it became apparent. It didn't quite chime with earlier attitudes.

Glorianny we will have to agree to differ.

Corbyn was no more demonised by the media than any other Labour leader. He worked hard to alienate many people who had always voted Labour.
I have no respect for him.

Tony Benn that man of the people, who, when he was environmental minister wanted to open up the sea walls for everyone to walk.
But didn’t apply if you wanted to walk past his house ( Stansgate Abbey Farm) which abutted the sea wall at Steeple on the Blackwater estuary.
He had it blocked off so you had to take a detour.