Duchess of Sussex the bullying has to stop.

Having a Canadian daughter-in-law, I do understand that the North American culture is very different to ours and I believe this goes a long way to contributing to these misunderstandings, ie saying and behaving in a particular way can be tantamount to the worst behaviour in the UK, and vice/versa - and I wanted to shout this to the Royal Family.

I think the Royal Family know now that keeping quiet is the best thing to do but this is not helped by the media at all.

I think you are right and keeping quiet is best too.

Once an argument begins, even with something small like a simple disagreement or misunderstanding, everything we see played out after that point are reactions.

They aren't always based on facts but on feelings.

If someone is involved in all that and has bad intent, they just get the ammunition they want.

Then you just see the media have an absolute field day blowing it up and suddenly everyone has an opinion or picks a side.

Much better to stay quiet and dignified in the face of that nonsense.

Hope that is what they do as I think they would have got more respect in the long run

I think that ship sailed long ago..........

Yes unfortunately

But I can't say I would have handled it all better in their position

No, I don't think so either.

No one does well under constant attention and criticism

It's not like they can just go live a quiet life in a cottage somewhere either

Anniebach

Obviously

Why though Annie, you said something about those who so admire her ? Who ?

I am going to have to read this whole thread... I think I've missed something in the middle

Sadly I can see that not many of you actually listened to the podcast. The podcast was about how women are treated when they have ambition. This thread is a great example of that.

The talk about the heater had nothing to do with the fire. It was an antidote on how mothers are held to a different standard. Even though she knew her baby was safe, as a first time mom she was rattled and wanted to go get her baby. She could not because she had royal duties.

Serena talked about when her baby got hurt and she had to play a tennis match instead of staying home. It was about the balance of the mother instinct and obligation due to jobs. Something that I would think all mother's on GN could relate to, though maybe not.

OK I have missed a LOT

Where did the fire come into imaround? I haven’t listened to it because I’ve never ever listened to a podcast. I wouldn’t know where to start!?

We’re the heater and the fire different things then?

Thanks imaround

That's completely understandable amd makes sense why she didn't speak of it until that moment

The heater and the fire were the same thing. They way she described it was "there was a fire". But the point of the story had nothing to do with a fire. It had to do with being a scared mom when the potential of harm could have happened to her son.

It amuses me that people who can't even bother to bear to listen to the podcast get online and complain.

If this woman bothers you so much, turn it off?

Even though she knew her baby was safe, as a first time mom she was rattled and wanted to go get her baby. She could not because she had royal duties

That's a pity because she would have been entitled to maternity leave, as are all Royal mothers, as Archie was only four months old.
Having chosen to go back to work earlier, then I suppose she felt obliged to fulfil her duties.

Callistemon21

^Even though she knew her baby was safe, as a first time mom she was rattled and wanted to go get her baby. She could not because she had royal duties^

That's a pity because she would have been entitled to maternity leave, as are all Royal mothers, as Archie was only four months old.
Having chosen to go back to work earlier, then I suppose she felt obliged to fulfil her duties.

Does it really matter how or why she was there? The concerns women feel about their children and the conflict for young women between fulfilling their role as a mother and meeting the demands of work is something we should be talking about. Our generation sold them the idea that they could have it all. The least we can do is listen when they talk about how difficult the reality is.

Our generation sold them the idea that they could have it all

That was Shirley Conran who then admitted she was wrong.
Many of us knew she was wrong.

It makes no difference - maternity leave is relatively generous compared to some countries. Deciding not to take advantage of it was Meghan's choice for whatever reason.
Other Royal mothers did so it wasn't because of pressure.

Most mothers who juggle don't have the security blanket of a nanny either.

That's a pretty tenuous hold onto Megan blaming Callistermon

We don't even know when her maternity leave began if she had it

She is still a person and a mum and hasn't done anything wrong by simply expressing her feelings about it...

Some slack maybe?

Just saying .....
Pointing out the obvious.

It must have been worrying but Archie wasn't in the room anyway.

Some slack maybe?

Well, at least she's still in the limelight ?
That's what is important.

Tiny bit?

You are missing the point.

It doesn't matter who the mother is and why they chose to return to work so soon after having a baby. All mothers feel guilt. The conversation was about the guilt ambitious women feel when they work and have kids.

The conversation was not trying to raise drama about smoke/fire. It was not about if Archie was in the room. She was recognizing that, no matter who you are or what your background, women have an internal dialogue that causes guilt. They were bonding about shared circumstance as new mothers.

Instead of lifting each other up, as all women should be doing, people are tearing her down despite not bothering to listen to the dang conversation. I do not understand how anyone thinks they can have an opinion of a podcast when they never listened to the podcast.

Which of course leads to the topic of the entire episode, how women are treated when they are ambitious. And the worst offenders? Other women.

Which of course leads to the topic of the entire episode, how women are treated when they are ambitious. And the worst offenders? Other women.

This. Absolutely this.

Dickens

^Which of course leads to the topic of the entire episode, how women are treated when they are ambitious. And the worst offenders? Other women.^

This. Absolutely this.

More agreement

Ambitious women ?

Ambitious women are treated badly by men. I think it is an attack and an unwarranted one to say that women attack to a greater degree than men do. We are are own worst enemies.