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vampirequeen Fri 26-Aug-22 18:03:01

Apologies to all the nice ladies called Karen but today we met a 'Karen'.

We went to a lunchtime concert at Beverley Minster. It was the Berkshire Youth Symphony Orchestra and, if you ever get the chance, I can heartily recommend you go to see them.

DH was using his phone to record some of the music to send to a friend in South Africa who loves classical music. He wasn't the only person recording but Karen seemed to take offence to him alone. Half way through the concert she stormed up behind him and shouted (over the music) that he had ruined the concert for her because she couldn't see when he was recording. Now the layout was such that, unless you were on the first row, you wouldn't be able to see the orchestra anyway but apparently her lack of view was DH's fault. He hadn't done anything to affect her hearing of the music. After she shouted, and without giving him chance to reply, she stormed off and left the Minster. We, and people around us, burst out laughing.

The daft thing was that if she had simply told DH that she found his phone annoying because it was in her eyeline, he would have apologised and recorded from another position. Then she wouldn't have had to storm out and miss the second half of what was an incredibly good concert.

HeavenLeigh Sun 28-Aug-22 14:21:12

To be honest I wasn’t interested in reading the rest of the post after reading about a Karen!

MawtheMerrier Sun 28-Aug-22 14:03:36

Parsley
I think research is important. It provides insights, shares information and lets us develop our thinking
As if, this is not "research" but the perpetuating of a vicious prejudice, with no evidence of information or even a valid thought process.
Would you grant equal weight to similarly spurious research into relative intelligence of different racial heritages? Or the perceived (by some men) of women's relative inability to park in a restricted space? Of course not - just calling something "research" does not confer validity.

Lathyrus Sun 28-Aug-22 13:49:03

The thread would have probably died a death if posters hadn’t taken up cudgels to defend the use of ‘Karen’ as a shorthand for a unpleasant stereotype.

I think most people are protesting about the use of personal names as insults rather than bashing the OP.
And wanting to refute the claims that this type of name calling is nothing much to get upset about.

JaneJudge Sun 28-Aug-22 13:48:21

it sounds a deeply unpleasant experience whether she was called Karen or not

Vintagejazz Sun 28-Aug-22 13:37:27

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree Maw. It’s nasty. OP wouldn’t have posted this if she were called Karen. Why does anyone think this is acceptable?

I don't think it's acceptable, but I think the point has been well made and there's no need to keep bashing the OP. She probably feels awful.

Lathyrus Sun 28-Aug-22 13:35:04

I’m not a younger person though

Lathyrus Sun 28-Aug-22 13:34:40

Oh yes, it’s part of the “white trash” prejudice.

Chewbacca Sun 28-Aug-22 13:33:34

Good question biglouis, maybe a younger person will be along shortly to inform us.

biglouis Sun 28-Aug-22 13:29:50

the lovely name "Karen" has been hijacked to describe a selfish, white, middle aged woman

Does that mean that a selfish, black, middle aged woman would be called something else?

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 28-Aug-22 13:20:57

I agree Maw. It’s nasty. OP wouldn’t have posted this if she were called Karen. Why does anyone think this is acceptable?

Enid101 Sun 28-Aug-22 13:20:14

Parsley3

Enid101
There has been some interesting research on the ‘Karen’ issue.
One researcher summed it up as someone who moves through the world prepared to fight a faceless conglomerate of lesser-than people who won't give her what she wants and feels she deserves.
Food for thought.

This contradicts your previous post where you complain about people on here being unkind. Research on the 'Karen' issue is not interesting it is insulting our intelligence. Name calling is a childish pursuit and adults should know better.

Hi Parsley
I think research is important. It provides insights, shares information and lets us develop our thinking.

MawtheMerrier Sun 28-Aug-22 13:15:47

OP just took a rather popular meme younger people are using constantly for whatever reason

Doesn’t make it right.
It’s a lazy, judgemental, hurtful, disrespectful “meme” which started in the US.
Doesn’t mean that either a) it’s acceptable or b) we have to follow suit . Or indeed that anybody has to “suck it up” to use another awful turn of phrase popular among a certain age group.
It is frankly indefensible so I don’t know why you hope to achieve by trying to defend it.

Lathyrus Sun 28-Aug-22 12:47:49

Ah well, shut down the thread one way or another.

Any way the wind blows……??

FannyCornforth Sun 28-Aug-22 12:41:36

VampireQueen is quite capable of standing up for herself, I’m sure VS
I’m not quite sure why you are reporting the thread

VioletSky Sun 28-Aug-22 12:38:52

Word twisting

I have actually reported this thread, although I hear that does little good these days, hopefully HQ will get around to it.

But obviously you guys carry on because mobbing > a dignified approach

/thread

Lathyrus Sun 28-Aug-22 12:35:38

Sometimes thinking is so muddled you can’t really go anywhere with it.

Lathyrus Sun 28-Aug-22 12:34:59

If it’s ok if it’s popular why object to the Meghan thread. That’s very popular.

Chewbacca Sun 28-Aug-22 12:34:12

Not all of them left.

Lathyrus Sun 28-Aug-22 12:33:13

So if it’s popular it’s ok? Or if it’s popular with the young it’s ok?
Not sure what you’re saying there?

VioletSky Sun 28-Aug-22 12:31:17

They probably left

You guys carry on though

Have fun

Chewbacca Sun 28-Aug-22 12:28:36

OP just took a rather popular meme younger people are using constantly for whatever reason.

It wasn't a rather popular meme used by a younger person when it was used so frequently here on GN though was it? It was used then, as it has been used now, by an older woman, against an older woman and it was pointed out to you then why it was so unacceptable. Educated, non bullying young people stopped using the meme a long time ago; it's only ignorant bullies who perpetuate it's use now.

FannyCornforth Sun 28-Aug-22 12:26:53

VioletSky Op could / should have apologised for causing offence.
I thought that that was just the done thing

silverlining48 Sun 28-Aug-22 12:25:09

No pitchforks no flogging and it’s 5 pages not 40. Since the op hasn’t returned it might be assumed she feels ok about what isn’t ok, whatever ‘Young people’ might do or think.

VioletSky Sun 28-Aug-22 12:16:40

Gosh that's a stretch isn't it?

OP just took a rather popular meme younger people are using constantly for whatever reason.

And has been thoroughly told off for doing so.

Lesson learned, no?

Or must OP be mob flogged for 40 pages?

And anyone pointing out that perhaps the message has been sent loud and clear needs to get a good stoning too?

2 wrongs = right?

Or can the OP have another chance before the pitchforks come out?

Annaram1 Sun 28-Aug-22 12:11:53

My second name is Karen and I love it.