My first Karen

Sorted! And I quite agree Chewbacca

Crossed postedLathyrus, your post is as I thought.

Possibly Fanny, I cannot speak for Lathyrus but my post still stands nevertheless. Using a woman's name, any name, as a derogatory, ageist, misogynistic and racist slur is never acceptable. It's been used on GN threads in the past by some posters who are vocal in their condemnation of other forms of bullying.
I'm perplexed as to why, on one thread, some posters are able to see that negative criticism of women, by women, is to be deplored but, at the same time, think nothing of using a woman's name as a general slur against white, middle aged women. Hypocrisy.

Thank you Lathyrus! No need to apologise at all.
I’m constantly tying myself in syntactic knots on here!

Oh dear. I was oblique?

Jst the opposite fanny.

I was remarking on people who whilst fervently opposing the perceived bullying of Meghan were objecting to those who opposed the bullying of Karen (or any other named person).

The irony .

Chewbacca

^I can’t help noticing that some of the people who are posting in support of the “The bullying has to stop” thread are the same ones who are trying to shut this thread down.^

Yes, I spotted that too Lathyrus but maybe not too surprising, as the hijacking of the name Karen, as a misogynistic, racist and ageist slur has actually been used on these boards several times in the past, by people who claim to be vehemently against bullying in other forms.

Thank you Chewbacca

Chewbacca

^I can’t help noticing that some of the people who are posting in support of the “The bullying has to stop” thread are the same ones who are trying to shut this thread down.^

Yes, I spotted that too Lathyrus but maybe not too surprising, as the hijacking of the name Karen, as a misogynistic, racist and ageist slur has actually been used on these boards several times in the past, by people who claim to be vehemently against bullying in other forms.

My understanding of Lathyrus’s post was that they were accusing the critics of VQ’s misuse of the name Karen, of being the bullies.

Ie the OP was being bullied

Did the use of 'Karen' add anything to the story?
I don't think so.

I can’t help noticing that some of the people who are posting in support of the “The bullying has to stop” thread are the same ones who are trying to shut this thread down.

Yes, I spotted that too Lathyrus but maybe not too surprising, as the hijacking of the name Karen, as a misogynistic, racist and ageist slur has actually been used on these boards several times in the past, by people who claim to be vehemently against bullying in other forms.

Enid101
There has been some interesting research on the ‘Karen’ issue.
One researcher summed it up as someone who moves through the world prepared to fight a faceless conglomerate of lesser-than people who won't give her what she wants and feels she deserves.
Food for thought.

This contradicts your previous post where you complain about people on here being unkind. Research on the 'Karen' issue is not interesting it is insulting our intelligence. Name calling is a childish pursuit and adults should know better.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of recording a concert, the title of the post was insulting to anyone called Karen.

Sorry Vampire but even if the phone was in his lap (which is not what you first said) the light shines upwards and would be seen by others
It’s bad manners in all senses and most venues make it very clear you are not to record of photograph the act ….Buy the cd to send to the friend in SA
It’s also in very bad taste to use a persons name to signify her faults It started in America and is a use in a very derogatory manner

I can’t help noticing that some of the people who are posting in support of the “The bullying has to stop” thread are the same ones who are trying to shut this thread down ??

This whole thing about all Karens being some sort of harridan is absolute nonsense.
Why pick on Karen? Why not Charlotte or Emily? Why anyone quite frankly. It’s clearly ridiculous.
There are unpleasant people about but they have have a variety of names.

There has been some interesting research on the ‘Karen’ issue. One researcher summed it up as someone who moves through the world prepared to fight a faceless conglomerate of lesser-than people who won't give her what she wants and feels she deserves.
Food for thought
No it isn’t.
It is quite unacceptable to attribute characteristics to anybody with a particular Christian/given name. That they are negative characteristics is even worse. And why “ she” ? Sexist too.
Try referring to people of colour as “Sambo” and see how far you get. This sort of pseudo-sociologibabble is not worth the space given to write it down. .

I just thought that it was misogyny, a special middle aged white women type.
Who should just know their place in society and shut up

MawtheMerrier

^But it's not just people who are called Karen who are piling on. It's just being nasty for the sake of it now^

I can’t answer for other people. My name is Karen and I find it hurtful every time I encounter it.
End of.

There has been some interesting research on the ‘Karen’ issue.
One researcher summed it up as someone who moves through the world prepared to fight a faceless conglomerate of lesser-than people who won't give her what she wants and feels she deserves.
Food for thought.

If I was op, I would have asked for the thread to be deleted.
In fact, she may well have done, the report button doesn’t seem to be functioning

To preempt any misunderstanding, no, I haven’t reported it.

But it's not just people who are called Karen who are piling on. It's just being nasty for the sake of it now

I can’t answer for other people. My name is Karen and I find it hurtful every time I encounter it.
End of.

I must lead a sheltered life because I had to do some googling to understand what abusing the name Karen was all about. ?

Phones should be safely stowed away in pockets/handbags switched off whilst attending a concert.

As a Karen I am pleased that non Karen’s have pulled up the OP about using a lazy American import. She was aware it was insulting yet went ahead anyway which took away from what she wanted to say about the concert ?. In answer to which I also find people using phones to record distracting.

Apologies for my grammatical error earlier in the thread. ?

I don't understand why the name Karen is used in this way.

The name originates from Scandinavia and means "pure" !!!

MawtheMerrier

I don’t think it is ganging up at all. Each Karen who has suffered this sort of verbal abuse has a perfect right to point out how hurtful it is - and that those who perpetuate it need to be aware and just stop
Even a sincere apology or retraction would have helped.
So no, as long as it goes on, it is not a “dead horse”. Verbal abuse needs calling out each and every time.

But it's not just people who are called Karen who are piling on. It's just being nasty for the sake of it now.