And it’s Liz as new PM

Oh well, it will be fun for the satirists.

When I look at her, I always think of the line from the Beatles song Eleanor Rigby - “wearing the face that she keeps in a jar by the door”. She doesn’t look quite real, somehow.

If I remember rightly Brown was unopposed?

Visgir1

Didn't Brown and Callaghan come into the top job the same way as Truss?

Let's see how she steps up to the plate she got a hell of a lot to do
if not she's out.

And Major, and May. It's not unusual, but they are usually the first choice of the Parliamentary party, not the members.

I think she'll be very active, but it'll be the wrong sort of active..

I think, though, that one thing she'll absolutely have to do is put a lot of money into supporting schools, hospitals, businesses and anything else that will be badly affected by uncapped energy bills.

She won't want to, but I think she'll be forced into it. Like Sunak was with the lockdown cash.

Didn't Brown and Callaghan come into the top job the same way as Truss?

Let's see how she steps up to the plate she got a hell of a lot to do
if not she's out.

Allsorts:

(1) Not all who despair at the Tory government want a Labour alternative, and of those who do, not all wish for a Corbyn return.

(2) The Leader of her Majesty's Opposition, the Labour party is called Sir Keir Starmer.

Zinnemann what did you think would happen. Perhaps she will be able to govern without all tge heckling and stupidity that led up to this.
Why don’t those that want labour at any cost campaign to get Corbyn back. He seemed to have what made a lot of you happy.
Meanwhile the country is in a mess, let’s see how she handles things which is a near impossible task before casting her to the wolves the first day. Not that Kieran has any ideas but doesn’t like any the opposition come up with and won’t obviously any future ones, it would be so nice to see him have an idea, prove he’s awake at least, just one little one would be a start.?

Curlywhirly

As a Labour supporter, I can't wait for PMQT - I almost feel sorry for her ?

My thoughts exactly. Except we're out for lunch in Wednesday so will have to watch it later on IPlayer.

Pittcity

Fleurpepper

Gawd help us !!!

I'll third it!!!

Wonder what was written on the 600 odd discarded ballots???

You are forgetting their age - confusion???

Good grief. Most of us are aware of how the political parties elect their leaders, but it doesn't mean we have to be happy with it or that we would like a presidential style set up instead, but I honestly do not think that Truss is up to the job. She promises what she thinks people who matter (in recent weeks, members of the Conservative party) want to hear, without any recognition of the reality of promising no tax increases, but help with energy bills and taking care of the NHS, whatever that means. Her ignorance promotion of trickle down economics is frightening, and her dismissal of the impact of the cancellation of the short term NIC increase was indicative of where she will be heading. Why did nobody point out that this 'temporary' increase of NIC was supposed to fund catching up within the NHS?

Prentice

Whitewavemark2

“Democracy in action”

this is so odd to me, it is how the leader of any Party is chosen.
should we turn it into a Eurovision Song Contest?
surely GN members who are all older people do realise that it is the method used by all political parties in the UK?

I've just started this thread as I am finding it "odd" too.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1315119-Does-Liz-Truss-have-a-moral-right-to-be-Prime-Minister

karmalady

Bramblebee

Give Liz a chance, she deserves that at the very least. It’s too easy to criticise, anyone thought of going into politics?

exactly this. I think she will appoint some remarkable new people, not the same old types.

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Bramblebee

Give Liz a chance, she deserves that at the very least. It’s too easy to criticise, anyone thought of going into politics?

exactly this. I think she will appoint some remarkable new people, not the same old types.

We had PR for the Brexit referendum and that ended well didn’t it ?

No, Rosie1959, we had 'first past the post' on an advisory referendum.

PR only comes into play where there are choices to be made between more than two parties.

We had PR for the Brexit referendum and that ended well didn’t it

No we didn’t.

Give Liz a chance, she deserves that at the very least. It’s too easy to criticise, anyone thought of going into politics?

Prentice

Whitewavemark2

“Democracy in action”

this is so odd to me, it is how the leader of any Party is chosen.
should we turn it into a Eurovision Song Contest?
surely GN members who are all older people do realise that it is the method used by all political parties in the UK?

You would have thought so Prentice other parties do not use alternative methods
As for the FPTP method used in elections since the 1950s I believe. Labour have won elections this way which I presume is all fine and dandy.
I suspect by PR you end up with hung parliaments
We had PR for the Brexit referendum and that ended well didn’t it ?

Ah well. trust Jonathan Pie to say it as it is

fb.watch/flMWsu7toG/

Even her dad was negative about her!

Whitewavemark2

“Democracy in action”

this is so odd to me, it is how the leader of any Party is chosen.
should we turn it into a Eurovision Song Contest?
surely GN members who are all older people do realise that it is the method used by all political parties in the UK?

I’ve just watched her thank you speech.

Omg it was another cheese speech!

Beckett

Franbern

Just thinking how fortunate we are living in a 'democracy'. Just imagine living in a country in which the over-whelming majority have no say who is their Premier Minister, who is their Head of State and who has all the control and rights in the second chamber!!!!!

Actually the majority voted for a Conservative government that IS democracy.

Ah, no it is NOT democracy. In my constituency on several occasions the person who was elected was voted against by more people than for, because of the FPTP system. This is very far from democracy.

As to Truss - I laughed when I heard she was standing, as in a sane world it had to be a joke. I did the same when I heard BJ was in the running for PM, and he was more than a joke - a lying cheating joke with no integrity.

What a sorry state this country is in. I feel in despair.

Shinamae

GrannyGravy13

I do not want Liz Truss to fail, neither would I want Mr. Starmer to fail if he wins the next GE, I didn’t want Mr. Johnson to fail but he let himself and the Country down.

To wish failure on a PM goes hand in hand with wishing failure on the U.K. as the two go hand-in-hand.

I expect the PM to do what is in the best interests of the U.K. whatever the colour of their rosette.

Very well said granny gravy and my sentiments exactly, I can’t believe all the vitriol on this thread…?

It's not vitriol, it is fear.

And I can assure you we all know how the Leader of the Conservative Party, who happens to also be the PM, is elected- unfortunately, yes, we are fully aware.

“Democracy in action”

Blondiescot

ElaineI

Ok so apparently UK ends at Carlisle according to Liz ? Might need a passport to visit Balmoral in that case

How quickly can we rebuild Hadrian's Wall?

What will happen to the country now? If it can get any worse she will certainly help it.

Zonne

Callistemon, yes, you’re right. I’m not quite sure where I pulled my number (or my percentage) from.

I could only find it in one online paper, I think it was the Independent.

More have probably reported it now.
It's not a large percentage of the population is it!