Pj wearers taking children to school,

There are pyjamas that pass for dog walking or children hauling.

HeavenLeigh

Mentioning anything unusual is risky nowadays! Jeez! ?????? is it! And I thought this was a public forum!

You've got to watch what you say or you'll be stung by the Queen bee and her drones they are circling all the time to bring you down,or make you look sexist or silly. It certainly is a policed forum.

I agree Chestnut with seeing both standards and quality slipping.
This trend of wearing night attire, namely pjs, dressing gown and slippers came from internet influencers I am told.Women who do it buy what they think of as glamorous pjs and mainly pale fluffy dressing gowns and slippers, but it must be worn with make up and hair done, I suppose the look of actresses in a film who slip out of bed looking wonderful in the morning.
There may well be some though, who cannot be bothered to dress so it suits them to do it.
It also is meant to show that the woman, for it is indeed only women who go along with this trend, have no need to dress as they do not have to work.It is a strange trend to be sure.

Not really, ICHTB. I wouldn't wear nightclothes outside, but there is no good reason why not - not that I can think of, anyway. Particularly in summer, lightweight trousers and tops can look very like pyjamas, and pyjama styles have changed from the flannel stripes with drawstring waists that used to be the norm. Now they tend to be more like t shirts and pull-on trousers. Dressing gowns are another matter, though .

I don't know about quality of other goods declining, but if they are, maybe that's because we are more of a consumer society, and are used to having more 'things', and for those 'things' to be available to all. We see old photos where children are not wearing shoes, and people get upset and outraged; but forget that shoes cost a week's wage, people had lots of children, and that the reason we don't see that now (not yet, at least) is because there are children in other countries making shoes very cheaply. Of course they are not going to be the same quality as a hand-made pair that few people could afford to buy new. I dare say it's the same with teddy bears - do we want every child to have a cheaper one, or just a few to have a collectable high-quality one?

It's true that some clothes/nightclothes are the same, t-shirt and shorts type especially, but normally PJs and items like onesies (marketed for relaxing at home) do not look like outdoor clothes.

oh come on icanhandthemback - I am sure you can spot PJs as well as anyone else.

^ Wearing nightclothes outside is very different.^

Who determines what constitutes "night clothes"?
Is there a material, a style or something that differentiates them from non standard slipping wear?

There is another thread discussing how standards have slipped with Steiff teddy bears! That is another example, quality has gone down the pan. You can see standards slipping where quality of something is not as good as it used to be and that list is endless.

Standards can only slip if here is an absolute benchmark from which they can slip, and who gets to decide what that should be?

As I said upthread, there was a time when not wearing a hat outdoors, or wearing the wrong gloves for the time of year was seen as letting standards slip, but I doubt if any young people (or even people of my own age) would even notice now. I am 63, and in my lifetime many things have changed. Hanging out washing on a Sunday, touching up a dab of face powder in public, women going to the bar to buy a drink - many things like that were considered beyond the pale when I was a child, but now you see people applying full make-up on trains and buses, women expect to pay their way, and most people see Sunday as time to relax or do the things that can't get done in the working week. Even churchgoers are happy to go to the shops or catch up with chores, and nobody would gossip about them, (would they?)

My grandmother's generation would judge one another (well, women anyway - men escaped a lot of this social control) by the condition of their doorstep and nets, and anyone without washing out before 9.00am was 'letting standards slip'. Do we really want to go back to that? I think we have become less bothered by 'what the neighbours think', and I see that as a good thing.

icanhandthemback

Chestnut

Standards arn’t slipping, they’re changing.
No, they're slipping. In fact standards are slipping in everything and you can see it everywhere.

I think that change through the generations has probably always felt that things are getting worse and standards are slipping. Our Headteacher read out a news article from many years ago about the state of education; I have seen similar ones recently because it is a recurring theme. Similarly clothing/fashion. Mini skirts caused an outcry, women wearing trousers, long hair on men, earrings and makeup on men, etc, etc. It is all part of a changing world.

Agreed, those things you mention are part of a changing world, but not the same as standards slipping. People always dressed themselves, even with outrageous clothes and crazy hairstyles. Wearing nightclothes outside is very different. These are people who would normally get dressed to go to school or the supermarket but haven't bothered.
PS: Driving to school in nightclothes and opening the door to let the children out is not really the same as walking down the street and onto the school premises. You are in a private vehicle and no-one can see you, so who would care?

Purpledaffodil

Our rector had a bride and groom come for a pre wedding chat. Bride wore pjs and dressing gown. She did manage the full meringue wedding dress on the day though. ?

Assuming no special needs, I'd have sent her away with a flea in her ear!

Oversleeping for the school run is one thing, but turning up for an important appointment in obvious nightclothes (not leisure wear) is rude.

Chestnut

^Standards arn’t slipping, they’re changing.^
No, they're slipping. In fact standards are slipping in everything and you can see it everywhere.

I think that change through the generations has probably always felt that things are getting worse and standards are slipping. Our Headteacher read out a news article from many years ago about the state of education; I have seen similar ones recently because it is a recurring theme. Similarly clothing/fashion. Mini skirts caused an outcry, women wearing trousers, long hair on men, earrings and makeup on men, etc, etc. It is all part of a changing world.

Standards arn’t slipping, they’re changing.
No, they're slipping. In fact standards are slipping in everything and you can see it everywhere.

Standards arn’t slipping, they’re changing. Many stores are tending not to differentiate between nightwear and “lounge” wear. This trend probably accelerated during the pandemic, and am sure younger ones would not judge negatively, those who parade out in PJs for example. (Unless the nightclothes wearer was elderly of course) then it would be assumed they have dementia ?

Chocolatelovinggran

In my High Street recently I saw a couple of young women in pj's, dressing gowns and fluffy slippers, plus a full face of makeup, including false eyelashes. I expect that they thought my standards were shockingly low- out in the day with no eyeliner or lashes.

Some parents come to school (properly attired) but with such beautifully applied make up that I feel underdressed!

In my High Street recently I saw a couple of young women in pj's, dressing gowns and fluffy slippers, plus a full face of makeup, including false eyelashes. I expect that they thought my standards were shockingly low- out in the day with no eyeliner or lashes.

I've been reading this thread off and on today, then got a call from the Sainsbury's delivery man to ask if he could drop off my order early. I agreed and went to the door, only to realise that I still had pyjama bottoms on. I did have a jumper and bra though, which is how I'd forgotten.

I was a bit embarrassed, but luckily the sky doesn't seem to have fallen in, and I'm not sure he even noticed.

I think being out and about in pjs shows a pretty good standard of behaviour.

Never seen bank robbers dressed in Jim James and fluffy slip on footwear.

Yes a while ago I had to collect some stuff from a nearby town a school time, I was simply horrified many were wearing dressing gowns and slippers and had just rolled out of bed.
I really did not realise standards had slipped that far

Chestnut

Don't mention C&A ???

I went there often, and remember buying the whole family shell suits! The it was the bermuda shorts craze. Must have been around 1990. Still, they were day clothes, not sleepwear.

Still very much alive in France and many other European countries

I'm surprised their children weren't off to school in pj's, too!
Maybe next time they could supply the children with sleeping bags & pillows so they could nap while there.
What happened to themselves dressing while the children ate breakfast? Assuming, of course, that the poor little ones were even offered breakfast if the parents were running that late!!
Nope. I don't care what you say. Pyjamas are indoor clothing, with the only exceptions being such as leaving the house to hang out/bring in the washing, stretch from the front door to put down/pick up milk bottles and absolute emergencies ie to call for help from someone nearby!!!
I would live in my pyjamas INDOORS, but for going outside I own outside clothes!!!

Well we're all entitled to our opinion and to dress how we like.
But I think walking around the streets in pyjamas, dressing gown and slippers looks daft.
A lot of lounge wear looks similar to track suits or joggers though.

Don't mention C&A ???

I went there often, and remember buying the whole family shell suits! The it was the bermuda shorts craze. Must have been around 1990. Still, they were day clothes, not sleepwear.

I guess the bride was already in the PJ zone before marriage, so no chance of her ever getting dressed on the school run or in the supermarket!

Our rector had a bride and groom come for a pre wedding chat. Bride wore pjs and dressing gown. She did manage the full meringue wedding dress on the day though. ?