Yeah I am. Unless another political party can come up with a miracle.
What do you find yourself avoiding more as you get older?
Just that, really.
I'm curious to know if crashing the economy has influenced anyone's thinking...
Yeah I am. Unless another political party can come up with a miracle.
Whitewavemark2
It has been a good week for Labour and an unprecedentedly bad week for the Tories.
At times like these it is easy to think that Labour is in with a chance to win the next general election, but and it is a huge but - in order to win a majority it needs to do better probably than it has ever done.
That is the sort of mountain Labour has to climb and why imo it makes much more sense for all parties of the left to cooperate in order to save the U.K. form the destruction we are witnessing.
Hear hear! The only reason our system is so flawed is that we don't have coalition groups as in Scandinavia and Germany where the winners coalesce with others of similar policies to strengthen their hand. It leaves a healthy opposition but means that the true majority of voters are respresented.we should try it ( don't mean the pathetic coalition we tried with Con/ lib Dems either!)
I have always been a conservative and could never imagine jumping sides to labour as the change was too much. Corbyn was so far left for me it was unthinkable.
There is nothing I hate more than a Champagne solicialist. Preach to others but continue in your capitalist bubble.
My children cannot get on the housing ladder unless we help them. We’ll be helping them with inheritance from their grandparents.
To say it’s all gone a bit bonkers the last couple of years is an understatement and as usual the stockbrockers continue making their fortunes.
I feel there should be a shake up of the Commons and the Lords and definitely their expenses.
No ! But then again I didn’t vote Tory in the last election
MaggsMcG
I'll probably give Liberals a try. Or spoil my ballot. Or depending on how I feel or if its raining not even bother. They're all much of a muchness as far as I'm concerned. Don't trust any of them. Having g said rhat I think Labour are likely to win anyway. Its time for a change.
DON'T spoil ballot!!!! What a childish thing to do!
Dillonsgranma
I despair of the conservatives at the moment and have always voted for them. But never again. Although I don’t think much of Angela Rainer either!
What's that got to do with policies that actually help us? Don't be so daft!
I'll probably give Liberals a try. Or spoil my ballot. Or depending on how I feel or if its raining not even bother. They're all much of a muchness as far as I'm concerned. Don't trust any of them. Having g said rhat I think Labour are likely to win anyway. Its time for a change.
Nope....next question??
I despair of the conservatives at the moment and have always voted for them. But never again. Although I don’t think much of Angela Rainer either!
The latest Yougov poll shows that there are many people like you Rosalyn who did voted Conservative but will never do so again.
I have always voted Conservative. Never again after this lot.
Grannybags
I have voted Tory all my life but if there was a GE tomorrow the answer to your question would be no
I agree 100%. Truss et al have acted in a total kamikaze fashion. .
I have never voted for the tories and never will.
I'm politically left and because the Conservatives have behaved so badly for a long time now, and no Labour presence to speak of, I am an SNP voter ,as it seems like the only chance of a decent government and future.
I didn't especially need independence but I do want things to be better and I find myself getting more radical at time goes on as this government descends into chaos and the country into poverty for many and rewards for those that are already rich!
I never wanted to leave the EU, as was the case with most of Scotland . It was the biggest most heinous crime committed against us this century.
With independence I still have a chance to get back to that union which I have to say offers a lot more in hope, respect and autonomy than the current 'supposed' union! This is not a United Kingdom and Tory Westminster continues in its own hideous and harmful bubble.
Out of touch
Out of line
... and currently out of their minds!!
Meanwhile more food banks and precarious health care; declining even more by the day!
The world looks on as the mess unfolds. We have lost their respect and trust and they are letting us know!
Germanshepherdsmum
It depends on how things are at the time and who’s in post. I would like to see the back of Truss and Kwarteng yesterday.
Same here.
I won't be voting Tory next time whatever Truss says at the conference. She clearly does not listen to advice. Nor does Kwarteng it seems. A good start, wasn't it, firing the top civil servant in Treasury at a key moment? I'm afraid the Party is scraping the bottom of the barrel and they need 5 or 10 years to refresh.
Not a chance.
I voted Conservative last election, for the first and last time, because I just couldn't see Corbyn as PM.
But this shower have made such a mess of just about anything they've touched, that I could not vote for them again.
No idea who I will vote for at the moment. Wait and see their election pledges and decide from there, I suppose.
Well said (as ever), Dickens!
I've just come off a SM site where a similar discussion was raging (as opposed to GN's more sedate style of posting).
The consensus of opinion of those who were pro this government's fiscal adventure seems to be that if you disapprove, you are simply envious and (as one poster told me) "you need to work harder and stop relying on other people's money". It seemed pointless to inform him that I started work at 15, retired at 67 and until recently (at age 80) ran a small business (and managed to be a carer for my disabled partner at the same time, as well as managing my own partial disability) and am still taxed on my income. You cannot argue against prejudice and ignorance and assumptions made by such individuals. It's totally beyond their comprehension that anyone can care about the nature of the society they live in and want to see a fairer distribution of wealth - not to mention the danger to a country's stability brought about by long-standing inequality which breeds resentment, anger and, ultimately, rebellion, and a reputation on the world stage. Pointing this out will simply attract a plethora of laughing emojis, or the inevitable angry face emoji.
Not one of them put forward a constructive argument supporting their stance.
Such people are not your traditional Conservative voters, they are a breed of rabid right-wing extremists whose narrow self-centred vision is destructive, divisive and ultimately damaging to the whole of society. A plague on them!
I've always been left of centre - on the Social Democrat 'wing' of the Lib Dems. If there is no credible Lib Dem candidate here at the next GE, I'll willingly give my vote to the Labour candidate. Our Tory MP serves his constituents reasonably well, but when I write to him, all I get back is a long screed taken from a Tory policy document which I could have read on line,
Good grief no, Fleurpepper, I won’t be at the Conservative conference in person. I think that’s for party members isn’t it - which I’m not. The idiots who voted for Truss. I will just watch parts of it on tv, same as I have been watching parts of the Labour conference.
If there are posters who don't want to say how they vote, don't post on a thread asking you which way you will vote.
It's not compulsory!!
Also don't belittle people who are asking the question or those who choose to answer it.
It is everyone’s business who they vote for - of course it is.
But a very large number of people have seen what we see as horribly destructive steps taken over the past few years. From Brexit to the current crises, from the loss of the right to demonstrate to the separation of powers - the UK has changed beyond measure. People now rely on food banks even when working, and children are going hungry. We aren’t even in winter yet but people are worried about fuel bills because of standing charges. The NHS is frighteningly underfunded.
Is it not reasonable for those of us who voted against all of this to ask what those who did think is good about it, and why, for the sake of the next generations, they are considering doing it again?
MayBee70
I can understand people voting Conservative if their MP is an old school decent kind of MP. Everyone I knew in Ken Clark’s constituency voted for him regardless of their political persuasion. If eg someone like Dominic Grieve was my MP I’d be tempted to vote for him but Johnson booted him out. I nearly voted Conservative once because I was tempted by a couple of things in their manifesto but, guess what. They never did them anyway so it’s a good job I didn’t.
I can understand people voting Conservative if they are Conservative. I don't agree with their take on what is best for the country but then neither right or left agree with me and I don't think we are all wrong, just different.
What we don't have at the moment is the Conservatives in government, as far as I can see. That makes it as difficult for their voters as it does for the rest of us who do not have a party that stands for what they think is the best for the country and can win.
nanna8
Why would anyone care who votes what on here? I hate this ganging up syndrome, it is just plain nasty. It reminds me of sending people to Coventry when I was a schoolgirl. To my absolute shame, I joined in.
I think we care because we are afraid. The future is so uncertain. If you are elderly, there is little you can do to mitigate events that are outside your control. We are at the mercy of a party that appears to be gambling the economic future of the country.
If you have no control over what is happening the only thing left is to try to understand why it is happening.
That's why we want to know the reasoning behind people's choices.
I'm not ganging up on anyone, I just want to understand their POV.
Urmstongran
It’s to early to tell yet (obv).
I might.
Then again, I might not.
Yep!
My vote, my business.
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