The date of King Charles’ coronation has been leaked

Vintagenonna

"Tin Lizzy" as per the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz - where is seems Liz Truss is currently residing. The Tin Man sings a song with the refrain "If I only had a brain." They have similar robotic arm movements.

It was the Scarecrow who wished he had a brain. The Tin Man wished he had a heart.

Just think of the lives of people who choose to go onto 'Big Brother'.

Imagine spending your whole life in a similar situation.

I have never before considered that, actually.

25Avalon

Chestnut it’s that old fashioned word ‘duty’. There was a time you did your duty unquestionally but that no longer applies to most of society. Yes, if you are a member of the armed services then you would expect to do your duty but you didn’t have to sign up.

I think the role of monarch is somewhat more than just duty, as we know from the Queen's lifetime of commitment. Charles may have a fairly short reign in comparison, but William needs to consider if he wants to go down that road and also subject George to that same long lifetime of commitment.

Parsley3 I don't think it is right that a child is born into a situation that gives them no choice . . .
. . . about whether to be royal, about whether to be born in countries where they’re likely to starve, to be deprived of schooling or medical treatment or live in a world where their habitat is destroyed to cater for other more wealthy nations.

I agree.
It’s not right for children to be born into a situation where they have no choice. In the great scheme of things, being photographed is a minor inconvenience.

If people stopped turning out to see them, or buying newspapers or watching television that features them, and commenting on what they see, there’d be no need for photographs.
How many of us should bear the blame for that?
Would becoming a republic end the public desire for photographs of the royal family?

I think it is only recently that we have really considered the detrimental impact of the role of the monarchy might have on the family themselves, especially on the children who as Chestnut says might be anxious or unhappy with the excessive media attention. In previous times the children of the monarch did not have these same pressures day in day out, although they obviously knew they were destined for high things.
I think Charles has had a bit of a wake call, in a good way, with Meghan and Harry's decision to opt out. Maybe it has made him realise that not everyone is cut out to follow, or even wants to follow, the path of their ancestors.
Maybe William and Catherine's more normal parenting and choices are designed to prepare their children for a more normal life in the future.
Maybe everything is moving forward in a direction which will do away with a lot of the pomp, and consequently remove a lot of the ridiculous expectations. More normal all round.

Chestnut it’s that old fashioned word ‘duty’. There was a time you did your duty unquestionally but that no longer applies to most of society. Yes, if you are a member of the armed services then you would expect to do your duty but you didn’t have to sign up.

Parsley3 I don't think it is right that a child is born into a situation that gives them no choice but to be Royal and thereafter have their every move filmed and recorded for public perusal and criticism.
Seeing William and family constantly being filmed and photographed, especially over these last few months, has made me feel rather anxious about their future. The children have been exposed to such a lot of media attention lately, and George in particular doesn't seem to enjoy it. So for that reason alone I would accept a decision to remove the monarchy. This is a different world, cameras are pointing in every direction, people are howling about every single thing, it's not a good place for a young person to be, and can't be much better for an adult either. William often looks anxious to me. I'm not sure what the answer is, I suppose they all have to decide amongst themselves, but it must be extremely hard to live your life in a goldfish bowl.

Republicans might be happy when they see what his plans are.

Doubt it.

I understand your point of view Chestnut, however, not all monarchists are happy. My friend who loved the Queen and wouldn't have a word said against the monarchy, has no time for Charles. She doesn't want him as her king and as for Camilla, well least said.
As for myself, I don't think it is right that a child is born into a situation that gives them no choice but to be Royal and thereafter have their every move filmed and recorded for public perusal and criticism. For example, monarchists can be hard task masters if a member of the RF shows any sign of exercising their human rights to choose a family life. The spouse must conform or else.

Highgrove for one is owned by the Duchy of Cornwall so not exactly private.

I do understand henetha , Balmoral, Sandringham, Highgrove, and Anne’s and Edward’s homes are privately owned.

Kensington Palace, St.James Palace, Buck Palace and Windsor
are not.

The numbers on the Balcony have been reduced, at the Jubilee
this year was the Queen, Charles and Camilla and William and
Kate.

henetha

I'm glad that King Charles has the good sense to do this. I hope further trimmings will follow. Although I'm a monarchist I do fervently want to see it slimmed down and less extravagant.

I think it's very clear that Charles recognises that times have changed and much of the pomp and ceremony will be reduced. Republicans might be happy when they see what his plans are. It is far better to have a King, who has been trained in the role from birth and has a huge sense of responsibility, than some random who has popped up and been voted in, who we don't necessarily know or trust, someone who will be here today and gone tomorrow.

IrishDancing

Agree with everything Henetha said, that’s my view of the monarchy, any monarchy.
What bothers me about these threads is the sarcasm (on both sides), it detracts from what is actually being discussed.

Yes, sarcasm and stupid names has always annoyed me. I may not agree that someone is doing what is best but I would never call them disrespectful names or diminish them. Maybe I'm too polite, my mother was a very polite person. I find all the aggression and mud slinging very childish.

"Tin Lizzy" as per the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz - where is seems Liz Truss is currently residing. The Tin Man sings a song with the refrain "If I only had a brain." They have similar robotic arm movements.

The Queens coronation was on a Tuesday. It won’t be held over a weekend this time

Thank you IrishDancing. I love the monarchy but it has got to move with the times if it is to continue.

Agree with everything Henetha said, that’s my view of the monarchy, any monarchy.
What bothers me about these threads is the sarcasm (on both sides), it detracts from what is actually being discussed.

Silvertwigs

Enid book the rooms now ?

Definitely! the rumour was enough for me to get all my plans sorted, and so the rooms are now booked.

Less land and properties for one. I see no need for the RF to have access to all the palaces and huge estates. Just one base in London and one in the countryside is sufficient. And maybe keep Balmoral as I think it is privately owned by the RF. (and possibly Sandringham is too, I think).
Also only the monarch and immediate family and heirs to be considered royal. All the outer relatives should simply work and provide their own housing. The numbers which used to appear on the balcony at Buckingham Palace sometimes used to disturb me (and not just in case the balcony collapsed ). It sent out a message of privilege and extravagance.
King Charles has made a good start with the coronation.

Chestnut thevGold State Coach will be used if the DM is correct.

henetha what would you want slimmed down ?

I'm glad that King Charles has the good sense to do this. I hope further trimmings will follow. Although I'm a monarchist I do fervently want to see it slimmed down and less extravagant.

Well some coronation details have been released and it seems the ceremony will last an hour or so, instead of six hours, and the guest list will be reduced by three quarters. So as we all suspected it will not be anything like the 1953 event. I just hope the beautiful Gold State Coach will be in the procession because I love it!

Tin Lizzie the robot from the Dandy or Tin Lizzie the car? I can’t imagine either has any interest in it.

Has the King got Tin Lizzie's permission?