Tipping out milk in London stores

RichmondPark1

*These protestors would like to force everybody to follow the diet they have chosen.*

Animal Rebellion said that the pair took action “to highlight the need to transition to a plant-based food system and a sustainable way of feeding the planet, without exploitation of animals”. No forcing that I can see there.

No forcing at all, just vegans wasting food that others need. Such a good example to set-and one that band-wagoners would possibly try to emulate, without paying for the produce first.

These protestors would like to force everybody to follow the diet they have chosen.

Animal Rebellion said that the pair took action “to highlight the need to transition to a plant-based food system and a sustainable way of feeding the planet, without exploitation of animals”. No forcing that I can see there.

Rosie51

Surely the difference between votes for women, same sex marriage etc is that they want to give people equal rights, as opposed to the compulsion element of this vegan protest? Nobody is forced to vote, or marry someone of the same sex, but these protestors would like to force everybody to follow the diet they have chosen. Wasting food and causing criminal damage to somebody else's property is not an intelligent way of getting people to consider your argument

That's a valid point Rosie51.

It should be noted, though, that they are not trying to make everybody choose vegan - they are trying to get governments to moved towards a plant based food system because they think that is good for all of us. Not just as a diet, but as a future for the planet.

Sorry pouring perfectly good food products over the floor and other items thereby making them not fit for human consumption is wasteful and obscene.

Well, they certainly got us talking about it!

I wonder what protest methods we would approve and how can the protestors encourage us to consider less animal products in our diet or at least the raising of welfare standards of the animals which provide food for us today?

About 26,000 tonnes of food is wasted in the UK each day so it's odd we're getting our knickers in a twist over a few pints of symbolically spilled milk.

For the record I've worked as a dairy farmer and I eat milk and meat but I genuinely believe for the environment, the animals and our health we'd do well to cut down on dairy and meat and take on board some of this vegan stuff.

Callistemon21

volver

Suella would love you lot.

Well, that's a bizarre comment.

I agree my views on this are absolutely nothing to do with politics

Surely the difference between votes for women, same sex marriage etc is that they want to give people equal rights, as opposed to the compulsion element of this vegan protest? Nobody is forced to vote, or marry someone of the same sex, but these protestors would like to force everybody to follow the diet they have chosen. Wasting food and causing criminal damage to somebody else's property is not an intelligent way of getting people to consider your argument

volver

Suella would love you lot.

Well, that's a bizarre comment.

Urmstongran

They like to style themselves as brave eco warriors. In reality they only do what they are doing because they know we have a useless woke police farce that is more likely to charge any frustrated citizen who tries to move them out of the way.

The police in France knew how to deal with clowns who glued themselves to roads. They didn't spend hours gently removing the glue so as not to hurt the little darlings - they grabbed a hold of them and yanked them off the road. Needless to say, after seeing that, their fellow 'revolutionaries' soon stopped doing that particular little stunt.

Our useless woke police farce consists of over-stretched, increasingly demoralised officers upholding the laws and rules set down by others. Human beings, the vast majority of whom are doing their best despite what often seems to them like a total lack of support from public or government. No wonder there’s a recruitment crisis. Why not criticise those who have the power to make the rules, not the poor sods at the bottom of the pile who are damned if they follow them, damned if they don’t?

Vegans don’t protest because they want everyone to eat the same foods they do, they protest because they believe animals don’t have a voice, which is true.

Foods which are not exclusively vegan foods are being labelled vegan. I wonder why they don’t label them “suitable for omnivores, vegetarians and vegans” or even “vegetarians, vegans and omnivores”? Carrots have been around so long they shouldn’t need a label other than carrots.

Of course they should be allowed to protest but to do this is utterly wasteful and definitely won't encourage others to become vegans. I think many who are not vegetarian or who would not even contemplated being so a few years ago can see the benefits of cutting down on meat or becoming totally vegetarian but not vegan, it is a step too far for many and as has been said not always healthy, especially for babies and children. So many products are manufactured with goodness knows how many (artificial) ingredients which people buy for convenience and then convince themselves it is good for them when really it is not any better than other fast food/takeaways.

It was their war work, not their demonstrations that persuaded Lloyd George to grant women (initially 30 year olds) the vote in 1918.

Kate1949

Yes but allowing women to vote is, or should be, a basic human right. Being vegan is a choice.

We think that about women's right to vote now. I certainly agree with it.

Not everybody thought that in past times though and many people (most people?) disagreed with the suffragettes' cause.

In recent times, many people would have argued vehemently against same sex marriage. Nowadays its accepted and part of the legal rights of people who live in the UK. I'm sure that many still object to it. Dismissing a current cause because we think it is trivial in comparison with causes of the past is not valid.

Kate1949

There's a great deal of difference between fighting for votes for women and wasting food and damaging property because you want everyone to everyone to eat and think as you do.

Indeed

Yes but allowing women to vote is, or should be, a basic human right. Being vegan is a choice.

Don't you think that the suffragettes were told that they were damaging property, (and worse, endangering lives) because they wanted everyone else to think as they did?

There's a great deal of difference between fighting for votes for women and wasting food and damaging property because you want everyone to everyone to eat and think as you do.

Farzanah said: The biggest influence for change was in the end the First World War.

I agree Farzanah.

pinkquartz

Many of us find the Vegan diet unhealthy as it lacks important nutrients.
If you are young and basically healthy you will be ok for a while.
So why would anyone want to switch to an unhealthy diet?
Also the main vegan modern foods are very processed. they won't be nearly as safe for the environment as natural vegan foods like Tofu and Tempah..
Veganism is not safe for babies and children. Again it is poor nutrition.
While a Vegan i believed i was getting Vit B 12 from seaweed. This wasn't true. I became very deficient and needed injections.
Do these protesters have any idea how many cannot afford the fake milks ?
I would protest to SUPPORT Animal Welfare in farming.

I'm confused. Which "main vegan modern foods" are unhealthy?

We're vegan if our children aren't around -- they refuse, we pander to their love of meat if they're eating with us.

We eat a healthy plant based diet, take B12, eat tofu, nuts, pulses, grains.

I'm not sure what you're objecting to?

I do object to the wasteful protest.

volver

No, for generally saying that protest should be stopped because it's making you a bit miffed and you don't agree with what they are protesting about.

Suffragettes blew up post boxes. You don't get your aims met by asking politely.

In many ways my heart agrees with you volver. I love a good demonstration because of the camaraderie engendered and have participated in a fair few in my time.
However reason tells me that generally they don’t achieve change. Look at the anti war demo before we invaded Iraq.
I believe that although the Suffragettes brought attention to their cause, it was the Suffragists ground work and efforts of persuasion behind the scenes that was probably more influential. The biggest influence for change was in the end the First World War.

I don’t agree with their tactics and I particularly dislike the fact they are wasting something that cows suffered to provide. But I respect the fact they have strong feelings about this and they are willing to take action.

eazybee

^Suffragettes blew up post boxes. You don't get your aims met by asking politely^

Ah, the Putin school of thought.

God, that's comical. ???

I'm going to protest at GNHQ if they don't stop putting videos advertising TV shows in the middle of threads. That's the second time I've clicked on one as I thought it was posted by whoever's post was next to it, and relevant to the topic. I'm probably encouraging them by clicking, too ?.

I'm all in favour of protest, but not of wasting food. Plus, if it was cows' milk, surely the vegans would object to the exploitation of animals to further their cause?

Many of us find the Vegan diet unhealthy as it lacks important nutrients.
If you are young and basically healthy you will be ok for a while.
So why would anyone want to switch to an unhealthy diet?
Also the main vegan modern foods are very processed. they won't be nearly as safe for the environment as natural vegan foods like Tofu and Tempah..
Veganism is not safe for babies and children. Again it is poor nutrition.
While a Vegan i believed i was getting Vit B 12 from seaweed. This wasn't true. I became very deficient and needed injections.
Do these protesters have any idea how many cannot afford the fake milks ?
I would protest to SUPPORT Animal Welfare in farming.