The case against ID cards

Beckett

volver

Neither of those is an ID card.

So I'm inclined to believe you, along with quite a few others, have no idea what we're talking about

So your argument is those who don't agree with you "have no idea" what is being discussed!

No Beckett, my argument is that someone who thinks a driving licence is the same as a compulsory ID card clearly doesn't understand the issue.

Perhaps you can go and have a look at the other thread where this is being discussed and have a word with the person who said that being an "ID denier" means I'm "aligning myself with the dishonest"?

I agree with Volver's main argument. Having to compulsorily carry ID is not something I want to have to do either.

I think the subject has come up again at the moment because of the migrant problem. I think the idea is that if they had ID cards those with failed visa or asylum applications could be identified and deported more efficiently.

Which takes us into a whole nother subject, though it is connected.

People are already having chips inserted under their skin so that they can unlock things by waving their hands near the lock.

Maybe if we go along with this it could open the door to being microchipped like pets have to be now

volver

Neither of those is an ID card.

So I'm inclined to believe you, along with quite a few others, have no idea what we're talking about

So your argument is those who don't agree with you "have no idea" what is being discussed!

One of the very few good things that Cameron did was getting rid of the ID cards idea

volver

Neither of those is an ID card.

So I'm inclined to believe you, along with quite a few others, have no idea what we're talking about

It's OK, volver, they've nothing to hide...

Everyone else does it so there's clearly nothing to worry about...

There are times when I'm really glad I'm quite old and won't be around much longer...

Driving license covid vaccination cards bus pass debit card tells my life story practically. The big give away for my ID is store cards easily identifies me as a shopaholic.

I can’t see why anyone would object to voter ID- they ask your name and address and tick you off- this could all be done more efficiently and stop people nipping over to another polling station and give someone else’s name and address( it has been known) .
I think the experiences of those who’ve lived in countries with ID currently haven’t had bad experiences.

Neither of those is an ID card.

So I'm inclined to believe you, along with quite a few others, have no idea what we're talking about

My son lives abroad, he is very happy to carry his ID card, he uses it to fly rather than his passport, he also uses it when accessing medical treatment.

Actuallt I carry 2 ID cards. One is a driving license with photo and the other is my Social Security Medical Card with photo,
a Gendarme would be happy with either

Too many people watching doomongering films on here.
It really isn't like that to have an ID card. Ridiculous to
fear being stopped in the street and being asked for your ID
yes it can happen , but no it doesn't

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Greyduster

I expect they'll see nothing wrong with having to wear those nice yellow stars, either.
Oh for goodness sake!🤦‍♀️ Don’t let’s entirely lose touch with reality!!

I expect a whole load of Germans were saying that in the 1930s.

I never cease to be amazed by people's wholehearted embrace of unnecessary restrictions of their freedoms.

It's bad enough to have voter ID imposed on us for purely repressive and ideological reasons. ID cards are a stepmtoo far, much too far.

Why would carrying an ID card restrict your freedoms?

Exactly. How does carrying an ID card restrict your freedom? As I said before when I had to carry one no one ever asked to see it.

And we’ve learned absolutely nothing since then, Maisie? I don’t think so! How do those of you who are railing against this, and so much other stuff, manage to live your life from day to day with all these conspiracy theories taking up spaces in your heads?

MaizieD

Greyduster

I expect they'll see nothing wrong with having to wear those nice yellow stars, either.
Oh for goodness sake!🤦‍♀️ Don’t let’s entirely lose touch with reality!!

I expect a whole load of Germans were saying that in the 1930s.

I never cease to be amazed by people's wholehearted embrace of unnecessary restrictions of their freedoms.

It's bad enough to have voter ID imposed on us for purely repressive and ideological reasons. ID cards are a stepmtoo far, much too far.

Why would carrying an ID card restrict your freedoms?

Greyduster

^I expect they'll see nothing wrong with having to wear those nice yellow stars, either^.
Oh for goodness sake!🤦‍♀️ Don’t let’s entirely lose touch with reality!!

I expect a whole load of Germans were saying that in the 1930s.

I never cease to be amazed by people's wholehearted embrace of unnecessary restrictions of their freedoms.

It's bad enough to have voter ID imposed on us for purely repressive and ideological reasons. ID cards are a stepmtoo far, much too far.

It wouldn't concern me having to have an identity card, and as for ID at polling stations, most people turn up with their polling cards and are quite disconcerted when they don't have to show them. It is the postal vote which needs checking.

A Swedish friend who lived here for over 20 years and then returned to Sweden, had to have a new govt. ID number issued before she could do a lot of things, inc. IIRC getting a local mobile phone contract. It took some time, which she did find frustrating, but IIRC she needed only to know the number, not produce a card. (Could be wrong.)

She’d managed to buy a flat without this, but v likely did that using her U.K. passport - she’d taken U.K. citizenship some years previously.

Talking of which (buying property as a non-national) some half-Danish chap dh met at one of his professional do’s recently, told him that foreigners aren’t allowed to buy property in Denmark.
Reason being (so he said) was that much of their seaside or near-coastal property would quickly be hoovered up by, ahem, some of their nearest neighbours, , but they can’t say that, so it’s a blanket ‘non Danish’ ban instead.

I expect they'll see nothing wrong with having to wear those nice yellow stars, either.
Oh for goodness sake!🤦‍♀️ Don’t let’s entirely lose touch with reality!!

I had to produce photo ID to take delivery of a parcel at my own front door. Goods that I had ordered on my own credit card including a text sent to my phone with a one off code from my bank as a fraud deterrent

I have to produce photo ID to pick up a parcel from the post offices, click and collect at Smyths Toy Shop, to open a bank account, to book holidays abroad.

The information is already out there, wafting around in the ether, everything we do is traceable.

If you had asked me 10 or even 5 years ago I think I would have been against them, but things change and now the information is readily available so it seems the logical way to go.

volver

Clearly I'm in a minority.

Ach well.

Don't say we didn't warn you 😂

I expect they'll see nothing wrong with having to wear those nice yellow stars, either.

I'm with you all the way, volver

Anyone with a smart phone can be tracked, use a debit/credit card- your spending can be tracked, online shopping - tracked, use online forums - tracked!

There are many ways in which we can be tracked which we have signed up to willingly. Those complaining ID cards would allow the government to track us - I ask, why would they want to? The average person going about their day to day life isn't that interesting!

There are many countries where you have to carry some form of ID at all times. We regularly holiday in Turkey, where that is the case. Turkish citizens have to carry their ID cards, while tourists are supposed to have their passports on them at all times - and we have been stopped and asked to produce ours on a couple of occasions. I have mixed feelings about them, to be honest.

I don’t get this. Until we become a police state - and let’s be sensible about the possibility of that happening - under what circumstances do you envisage you would you be asked to produce it while out and about minding your own business?

I too have lived in a country with ID cards and never been stopped in the streets. To be honest systems there made life a lot easier.

They also had blanket breathalizer tests. Why would you object to these unless you had been drinking? It cut down on drink drivers.