Where are you from? Is it an insult?

I have a rather strange accent, and I am asked the question all the time, and I don't mind at all. But a very different situation.

Why is it different?
Because it's not at the Palace? 🤔

Our prejudices are often not acknowledged and subtly hidden by all sorts of other factors. I know of 2 people who, with Brexit, made the explicit decision to only employ 'British' people, in Ye Olde fashioned sense

What exactly your definition of "Ye Olde fashioned British"?

My definition would be Welsh and Cornish who were driven to the edges of the land by those marauding invaders.

So is a prerequisite of employability to be the ability to speak fluent Welsh or Cornish?
Tidy! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
I can't find a Cornish flag, that's disgusting that is.

What was that thing about stalking again...?

Many a true word spoken in jest/sarcasm.

nanna8

Just wondering what is a middle class family ? And why white ? And why two children? Is that some sort of average or what ?

It’s called a stereotype. It still has power

Our prejudices are often not acknowledged and subtly hidden by all sorts of other factors. I know of 2 people who, with Brexit, made the explicit decision to only employ 'British' people, in Ye Olde fashioned sense

I knew Brexit had to come into it! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Anybody else up for a game of “Brexit Bingo” ?

Just wondering what is a middle class family ? And why white ? And why two children? Is that some sort of average or what ?

Advertising and TV has changed in the U.K. every ethnicity along with different family dynamics are now portrayed in print, programming and tv adverts.

Mixed race families, lesbian families, gay families, families with disabilities, singles I could go on but hopefully you get the picture.

Long gone are the days of middle class white family with two children being the norm , and rightly so.

Fleurpepper
I know you watch British tv dispute the fact you are Swiss and live in Switzerland.
Has the wide range of accents on British tv passed you by?
Of course it hasn’t.
But that fact wouldn’t support your racists under the bed campaign, would it.
But you carry on and fill your boots with this rubbish.

Yes. I have no life.

volver I really do feel sorry for you. Do you stalk people in real life?

We're all arrogant DaisyAnne but you're completely angelic.

Apparently.

Oh, wad some power the giftie gi'e us....

Fleurpepper

vegansrock

But if they said they were British from London would you follow up with, “but where are you really from? “ That’s the potentially offensive bit.

Exactly- just depends how it is done! Not read every post, but this video came to mind.

youtu.be/crAv5ttax2I

I have a rather strange accent, and I am asked the question all the time, and I don't mind at all. But a very different situation.

I wonder why we don't run videos like this on TV. I would/should help reach a wider audience.

Just realised Lollin, you may actually be so arrogant that you don't realise what I was saying was because you were being unacceptably bad mannered and rude. It was.

Lollin

Fleurpepper

vegansrock

But if they said they were British from London would you follow up with, “but where are you really from? “ That’s the potentially offensive bit.

Exactly- just depends how it is done! Not read every post, but this video came to mind.

youtu.be/crAv5ttax2I

I have a rather strange accent, and I am asked the question all the time, and I don't mind at all. But a very different situation.

Good video but of course it will sweep over many an ignorant head.

As learning to communicate politely will over the heads of many with an arrogant sense of superiority Lollin.

Being bad mannered and rude is being bad mannered and rude whatever the reason.

GrannyGravy13

tickingbird

Fleurpepper

Yes, that is the answer regularly given.

However…..

…… just say what you’re implying.

I have got an early New Year’s resolution which is to ignore people who are posting/talking rubbish.

Sounds a bit like mine, which is not to allow those on the extremes of a discussion to make me feel extreme.

You are one of the few on GN actually employing people at the moment. We may not agree on everything GrannyGravy but in this climate I would raise my hat to you (if I wore one ).

Well we all talk more or less the same but there are other methods- here it is which school did you go to? It is slowly changing but still holds for locals. I don't think race is so much of an issue because there are dozens of different races all within a stonesthrow. No one notices anymore, at least not where we live. Probably different if you are in the centre or the outback.

Mervyn Bragg saying how he had to quickly get rid of his Northern accent when he went to Grammar school and on to Uni

That was then.

Melvyn Bragg is 83, a product of the 1950s grammar school system, where many of us had elocution lessons as part of the curriculum to enable us to get good jobs in later life. BBC pronunciation was of importance but even so, all this education and elocution lessons did not eradicate our accents totally.

Melvyn Bragg still has a less pronounced accent, as do I and many other people I grew up with.

Strong accents do not hold people back now although clear diction is essential still in some careers.

Apologies, the poster did reply, thanks.

tickingbird

Fleurpepper

Yes, that is the answer regularly given.

However…..

…… just say what you’re implying.

Did you watch the Programme last night about accents, and the influence they have on educational achievements and expectations, and employment? I remember Mervyn Bragg saying how he had to quickly get rid of his Northern accent when he went to Grammar school and on to Uni. Our prejudices are often not acknowledged and subtly hidden by all sorts of other factors. I know of 2 people who, with Brexit, made the explicit decision to only employ 'British' people, in Ye Olde fashioned sense. For many, the decision is more subtle ... but prejudice of class, accent, school, ethnicity, etc are very much part of it.

Prejudices related to colour or origins are can also run very deep, so deep that they are hidden from the outside. And it is not rubbish- and has been clearly demonstrated by serious studies.

I asked a serious question, a pity it was not answered by poster.

Dickens

foxie48

In the 90's I was in a multicultural team responsible for delivering a range of anti-racist/multicultural training to senior management teams. This was in educational institutions in a large culturally diverse city. I would agree that to a large extent you can't train people to be anti-racist but you can stop them from behaving in a a racist way by having policies in place, by monitoring the effectiveness of those policies and by sanctioning anyone who doesn't follow those policies.

The only problem I see with this is sanctioning.

Actions speak louder than words - so, yes - someone who deliberately sets out on a racist agenda clearly has to be stopped in their tracks.

But sanctioning people because they use the wrong terminology - quite often inadvertently - when there is no intent to offend is, IMO, completely counterproductive.

An example (one I've witnessed)... if an individual refers to an ethnic minority as "that coloured chap" because she doesn't remember his name but to all intents and purposes has never shown herself to be racist - should she be sanctioned for the culturally incorrect terminology?

This lady lives in my street. A new arrival from London has taken up residence. He has a name which is difficult to pronounce. This lady has taken cuttings from her garden to give to him to get him started on his own rather large garden - but can't remember his name. That's how she referred to him. Should we sanction such people?

How on earth could you "sanction" a neighbour? I think it's pretty clear from my post that I am talking about my experience in a workplace, where the employer can and should set out standards of behaviour in order to comply with legislation.

tickingbird

Fleurpepper

Yes, that is the answer regularly given.

However…..

…… just say what you’re implying.

I have got an early New Year’s resolution which is to ignore people who are posting/talking rubbish.

Fleurpepper

Yes, that is the answer regularly given.

However…..

…… just say what you’re implying.

Dickens

foxie48

In the 90's I was in a multicultural team responsible for delivering a range of anti-racist/multicultural training to senior management teams. This was in educational institutions in a large culturally diverse city. I would agree that to a large extent you can't train people to be anti-racist but you can stop them from behaving in a a racist way by having policies in place, by monitoring the effectiveness of those policies and by sanctioning anyone who doesn't follow those policies.

The only problem I see with this is sanctioning.

Actions speak louder than words - so, yes - someone who deliberately sets out on a racist agenda clearly has to be stopped in their tracks.

But sanctioning people because they use the wrong terminology - quite often inadvertently - when there is no intent to offend is, IMO, completely counterproductive.

An example (one I've witnessed)... if an individual refers to an ethnic minority as "that coloured chap" because she doesn't remember his name but to all intents and purposes has never shown herself to be racist - should she be sanctioned for the culturally incorrect terminology?

This lady lives in my street. A new arrival from London has taken up residence. He has a name which is difficult to pronounce. This lady has taken cuttings from her garden to give to him to get him started on his own rather large garden - but can't remember his name. That's how she referred to him. Should we sanction such people?

I can only agree with you Dickens. Sadly, I have got the impression that some would actually like a form of sanctions, moderated by them, on GN.

foxie48

In the 90's I was in a multicultural team responsible for delivering a range of anti-racist/multicultural training to senior management teams. This was in educational institutions in a large culturally diverse city. I would agree that to a large extent you can't train people to be anti-racist but you can stop them from behaving in a a racist way by having policies in place, by monitoring the effectiveness of those policies and by sanctioning anyone who doesn't follow those policies.

The only problem I see with this is sanctioning.

Actions speak louder than words - so, yes - someone who deliberately sets out on a racist agenda clearly has to be stopped in their tracks.

But sanctioning people because they use the wrong terminology - quite often inadvertently - when there is no intent to offend is, IMO, completely counterproductive.

An example (one I've witnessed)... if an individual refers to an ethnic minority as "that coloured chap" because she doesn't remember his name but to all intents and purposes has never shown herself to be racist - should she be sanctioned for the culturally incorrect terminology?

This lady lives in my street. A new arrival from London has taken up residence. He has a name which is difficult to pronounce. This lady has taken cuttings from her garden to give to him to get him started on his own rather large garden - but can't remember his name. That's how she referred to him. Should we sanction such people?