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Times article by Jan Morris' daughter, Suki Morys.

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eazybee Sun 11-Dec-22 19:17:19

Thank you for making that article available; it enlarges on what was being said, albeit discreetly, towards the end of Jan Morris's life. A tragedy for those children and his wife.

GagaJo Sun 11-Dec-22 18:38:29

Grammaretto

He/she was a brilliant writer.
Many writers and other creatives are not necessarily "nice" people. Often they make bad parents because their audience goes far beyond their own small circle.

As were Roald Dahl, Dickens, J. D. Salinger, William Golding, Norman Mailer, Ted Hughes et al.

The selfish, creative gene.

Chestnut Sun 11-Dec-22 18:27:35

Another who wrote so wonderfully for children but was so cruel to her own children was Enid Blyton. All very strange.

Forsythia Sun 11-Dec-22 18:26:16

I’d never heard of Jan Morris but read this article. So sad for her daughter who endured this. Frankly, Jan Morris might have been a brilliant accomplished writer but she was clearly a selfish complex individual with no thought for her family.

Ladyleftfieldlover Sun 11-Dec-22 18:24:32

Gosh. Thank you for that. I recently read her final collection of diary entries. She seemed devoted to her wife.

Grammaretto Sun 11-Dec-22 18:19:10

He/she was a brilliant writer.
Many writers and other creatives are not necessarily "nice" people. Often they make bad parents because their audience goes far beyond their own small circle.

hollysteers Sun 11-Dec-22 18:08:50

Always sad to read that people you admire and respect have giant feet of clay.

Grantanow Sun 11-Dec-22 16:21:09

A good writer but obviously no saint.

PamelaJ1 Sun 11-Dec-22 14:19:01

I read the article too.
I’ve only once had much to do with a man who transitioned.
It was years and years ago. We had some interesting conversations about his decision as I was removing his facial hair by electrolysis. Although I felt that his path wasn’t going to be easy and felt some sympathy his selfishness with regard to his wife and child was staggering.

Sparklefizz Sun 11-Dec-22 11:35:35

What an interesting article but so very very sad for the family. Thanks for sharing the link FarNorth

annsixty Sun 11-Dec-22 10:23:35

Very, very interesting and enlightening.
I agree with notgran the only person who seems to have a
got anything out of the awful saga was Jan Morris, so selfish and self gratifying but even she must have been very troubled and unhappy to treat her family in that way.
What a marvellous person the mother seems to be.

FannyCornforth Sun 11-Dec-22 10:15:00

About 10 or so years ago I taught a little seven year old girl. She was one of the brightest children I have known, but she was borderline neglected.
Her father was her single parent and he was transitioning.
I often think about her

notgran Sun 11-Dec-22 07:52:13

What a very interesting article. The few trans people, (m-f), I have met socially and through work all fit the description given here of being very selfish narcissists, who crazily cannot be challenged in any way as this currently would be a criminal act.

grannydarkhair Sun 11-Dec-22 06:51:58

I think it’s a very well written article, and hope that Suki has gained some peace by writing it. How she describes Jan echoes other articles I’ve read about the selfishness and narcissism that trans widows and their children have to put up with if the marriage continues.

FannyCornforth Sun 11-Dec-22 04:24:10

Wow. Thank you for sharing FN. I take The Times, but probably would have missed this.
Suki’s mother must be an incredible woman to have dealt with all of that.
The story about Virginia’s death is awful

FarNorth Sat 10-Dec-22 20:13:31

"Whenever I called “Daddy”, there would be no answer, and slowly the word was lost from my repertoire."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/68bcdad6-77f4-11ed-b756-a5744446c41f?shareToken=3d00e188ed9c09b1409c5c1dc5adef61

No paywall.