Examples of racism,classism etc.

House of Fraser isn't the upmarket chain it once was. It's now owned by Mike "the slob" Ashley, sweatshop operator of Sports Direct and one-time much loathed owner of Newcastle United FC.

While I don't doubt that the assistant was being very rude and there might well have been a racist or classist slant to her behaviour, she might also simply be having a bad day given Mr Ashley's reputation for treating staff. Standards are definitely not what they were in Sir Hugh's day!

AGAA4

I think airports are neglecting disabled people. Heard quite a few complaints about being left for hours on a plane as the wheelchair hadn't been invaded. Little Tony Hudgells was a victim of this recently. He was left for a very long time without his chair after a flight. Is this discrimination? Why can't wheelchairs be loaded so they are first off the plane?

Yes, I think it is discrimination. I also think the airlines just don't want to deal with it and hope disabled passengers will just stop flying.

Train companies also do not do well in relation to those who are differently abled.

Unloaded not invaded!

I think airports are neglecting disabled people. Heard quite a few complaints about being left for hours on a plane as the wheelchair hadn't been invaded. Little Tony Hudgells was a victim of this recently. He was left for a very long time without his chair after a flight. Is this discrimination? Why can't wheelchairs be loaded so they are first off the plane?

BaBaBoom

That's horrifically ageist of your dentist Allsorts. I also saw a classic example of ugly ageism earlier today. Said on a forum, that's aimed specifically at older people, but popuated predominately by older women: ^a sad lot of old biddies you are.^

That remark was here, on GN.

Last time I flew I got into conversation with a fellow passenger when I mentioned that I had to wait on the plane for a wheelchair transfer after everyone else had got off. He said "Well my wife has arthritis but she wouldnt want to make a fuss".

I told him that was up to his wife to decide. I could not answer for her, only for myself. However if no one claimed these legal rights then they would disappear. He was probably sorry he opened his mouth!

Sorry Mollygo, I don't understand. Can you explain what you mean please?

BaBaBoom

That's horrifically ageist of your dentist Allsorts. I also saw a classic example of ugly ageism earlier today. Said on a forum, that's aimed specifically at older people, but popuated predominately by older women: ^a sad lot of old biddies you are.^

Yes, I saw that nasty comment too.

VioletSky

So we blame the victims of discrimination for not handling it rather than the perpetrators for being terrible humans?

Now guess where have I seen that idea of “the victims should deal with it/complain” instead of blaming the perpetrators for being terrible humans ?

I agree it’s wrong-in any circumstance.

I think sometimes people don't notice a disability. I haven't been out since Sunday because of the black ice in my drive. Im very nervous since I fell and have trouble walking. I called out to my young neighbour when I saw him walking to the shop and he got me milk and bread.I was hoping he would have offered again but I suppose it didn't occur to him that I might be stuck .

V3ra

My husband always wore a suit to work, in banking, years ago.

I noticed that if we went to parents' evening at our children's high school we were spoken to much more seriously, respectfully even, if he went in his business suit than if he got changed into his casual clothes before we went 🤨

I found that as well. Husband in suit and they take notice wife alone or dressed casually and you are quickly given a resume and shown the door.
We also found it with DD's A - level results. She missed her chosen University by one point and was told by a teacher to see the head. We stood in a queue. All came out beaming, we went in and were told it was my problem to sort myself.
I thought about all in front, their mothers had helped with choirs etc. School fetes and one I knew had donated quite an amount to the school. I could not help as I worked and had no PE or musical skills.
Lesson learned, show your smart face or money, help at fetes etc. and you get help, be normal and you are shown the door.

I agree with you chocolatelovinggran. My younger daughters particularly have friends of all nationalities and colours but never mention that when describing them.

I would say that I am open eyed and open minded - I do notice but it doesn't affect my attitude.

25Avalon
A good move on your part.That’s what I mean about doing something and not accepting being a victim.
People have to stand up for their rights, sign a petition, call the manager, email head offices, tell rude or lazy employees what they think of them.

That was a very nice and optimistic post chocolatelovinggran .

Blossoming

I’m discriminated against frequently because of disability.

I signed a change.org petition to make it mandatory to include aisle wheelchairs on aeroplanes. It was raised by a disabled youngish lady who was on one airline that did not have an aisle wheelchair. She was told if she wanted the toilet she would have to drag herself there or be carried. Another airline suggested she should wear pads instead. I found that dreadful. There’s constant pushes for anti discrimination for LGBTQ+ , ethnic minorities and sometimes older citizens but very little mention of the disabled.

Differently abled people get an awful time of it.

Whether that is being told they don't look disabled and therefore aren't deserving of certain accommodations, find that too many areas have no accommodations or are just unseen and unheard in general.

I really don't understand people's attitudes

Blossoming

I’m discriminated against frequently because of disability.

Yes, that is another key area. Some of the treatment of differently abled people is terrible. Even smaller things, such as parking or blocking disabled access.

I’m discriminated against frequently because of disability.

I don't agree young people are "colour blind"

What is actually happening is that young people do not discriminate.

That's not the same thing at all. Young people are generally very aware that their peers may face discrimination in many areas of life. They also are more likely to celebrate differences and be accepting of other religions and cultures.

That's not blind, it is open eyed and open minded

I would like to balance the racism thread a little. I think that many young people are delightfully " colour blind". One of my daughters has a close group of friends from schooldays. I know these girls well and have met their boyfriends/ husbands in group events over the years ( sometimes not too clear which chap belonged with which girl at the party TBH!)
I know the names of each partner, their occupation, the homes they have bought together ...etc
In due course, I enjoyed the wedding photography. At one wedding,I knew the lad's name, job and much more because DD had told me all about him. She had not mentioned that he was black and was surprised when I said that I hadn't known this. It didn't seem relevant to her. The future is, hopefully, like this.

Sago

Last night we got into a cab only to be told off by the cab driver who was early and we took a couple of minutes to say our goodbyes and get in the cab, he was very rude, he was black, we are white.

Earlier in the day, a black lady in a shop asked me what I thought of the boots she had tried on, she told us she was a cleaner and thought the boots would be good for her early morning starts in the ice, we had a lovely chat, she wanted to know where we lived and why we were in London.
If she lived near me I could imagine us becoming friends she was a hoot!

On a visit to the Sky garden in the morning the white male porters ushering people into the lifts were incredibly rude and very impatient.

In the restaurant we ate lunched the staff were all super friendly and kind to us.

I don’t think it’s race, class, north or south.
It’s just good/bad manners, we need to stop feeling offended all the time and realise this is just life.

It isn't just life when you're 15 and getting arrested for not having an oyster card because you're Black.

Or being accused of shop lifting when you haven't, just because you're Black.

I once saw a very grand old lady cut an entitled young man down to size when he tried to push in while the assistant was attending to her. She had a wonderful cut glass accent and a walking stick which she banged on the ground to emphasize every word. He walked out of the shop. I did the same to a man who tried to push in front of me in a computer shop.

I dont go out much now so this kind of thing seldom happens but I would not hesitate to confront someone whom I considered to be disrespecting me.

My nephew says I have a tongue like a lash.

Last night we got into a cab only to be told off by the cab driver who was early and we took a couple of minutes to say our goodbyes and get in the cab, he was very rude, he was black, we are white.

Earlier in the day, a black lady in a shop asked me what I thought of the boots she had tried on, she told us she was a cleaner and thought the boots would be good for her early morning starts in the ice, we had a lovely chat, she wanted to know where we lived and why we were in London.
If she lived near me I could imagine us becoming friends she was a hoot!

On a visit to the Sky garden in the morning the white male porters ushering people into the lifts were incredibly rude and very impatient.

In the restaurant we ate lunched the staff were all super friendly and kind to us.

I don’t think it’s race, class, north or south.
It’s just good/bad manners, we need to stop feeling offended all the time and realise this is just life.

I’m guilty of discrimination, too. If I see a male on a check-out next to a check-out with a female I choose the female every time because I find they are much quicker and more accurate. At least round here. I’m not sure why, quite strange.

Oreo

I read the OP thanks VioletSky
It’s surmise and speculation.
A shop assistant may treat you better if you are white as long as she is white as well, or may treat you better if you look well dressed or maynot if she’s a lazy cow and needs training or sacking.
It’s guesswork otherwise.

Since this thread is about -isms...

Men can be shop assistants too. Whether they can be "lazy cows" remains to be seen.