Jeremy Clarkson

Many of a “white privilege”, by which I mean living in a country where the majority of the population are white, for example, do not understand the day to day nuances by which racism is casually conveyed to those who are non white. There are also of course many instances of overt racism.

I guess there needs to be more awareness and understanding, and imagination of what it’s like to live the life as experienced by others.

It seems often to be taken for granted that if something is not overtly racist, it can’t be racist. I don’t believe that.

Farzanah

Many of a “white privilege”, by which I mean living in a country where the majority of the population are white, for example, do not understand the day to day nuances by which racism is casually conveyed to those who are non white. There are also of course many instances of overt racism.

I guess there needs to be more awareness and understanding, and imagination of what it’s like to live the life as experienced by others.

It seems often to be taken for granted that if something is not overtly racist, it can’t be racist. I don’t believe that.

I guess there needs to be more awareness and understanding, and imagination of what it’s like to live the life as experienced by others.

And when those others tell us of their experiences they're met with a barrage of denials and accusations of 'playing the race card'. Those who listen and empathise are then regarded as "snowflakes"... "can't say anything these days without being accused of racism"... say those who generally have never experienced it.

Perhaps covert racism is too nuanced to grasp?

How can I voice my complaint? I'd like to.

(good to hear, sazz1). Be good to complain to his current employers.

There may well have been racial undertones and nuances, which is why I mentioned dog whistles upthread.

The fact remains, however, that knowing about all of the KKK's myriad atrocities is not necessary to an understanding that the comments were beyond the pale.

Doodledog

There may well have been racial undertones and nuances, which is why I mentioned dog whistles upthread.

The fact remains, however, that knowing about all of the KKK's myriad atrocities is not necessary to an understanding that the comments were beyond the pale.

I wasn't referring in particular to Clarkson's comment, rather the more general reaction by the public to various insinuations of racism.

It might have been that JC though everyone watched GoT and knew what he was referring to - he appears to believe he speaks for 'everyone', maybe there were racial undertones - he's not averse to it - or maybe not. I've no idea.

Kate1949

You can know about the KKK and not be aware of every single atrocity they committed.

True but back at the beginning a poster said she didn’t know about KKK as she wasn’t American I said I wasn’t French but knew of the existence of the guillotine etc. Not suggesting anyone had to know everything. About KKK

Iam64

Theexwife

Would there be the same outrage if he was talking about Boris.?

What on earth does this mean

Where is the connection ?

hollysteers

Disgusting as it is, it’s not particularly racist.
Fraternisers in France at the end of WW2 had this shaming treatment as well as Irish people who acted in the same way.

It is disgusting and it probably isn’t racist.
Having watched GOT where the woman has to do the walk of shame, horrible but nothing to do with race as she was white.

Perhaps covert racism is too nuanced to grasp?

I think you've got your answer Dickens.

Oreo

hollysteers

Disgusting as it is, it’s not particularly racist.
Fraternisers in France at the end of WW2 had this shaming treatment as well as Irish people who acted in the same way.

It is disgusting and it probably isn’t racist.
Having watched GOT where the woman has to do the walk of shame, horrible but nothing to do with race as she was white.

and when the KKK did it- was it to white women?

You do realise the KKK came before GoT? Yes?

growstuff

Whether or not people know the KKK (or other) history of the practice, surely the vast majority of people find the idea abhorrent. Unfortunately, there are some nutjobs around with vile views, who will see justification because somebody famous has suggested it.

Yes.
Clarkson has quite a following from his days on Top Gear.

Not that long ago there were calls for him to become Prime Minister.

I have just read an article in his defence stating "It was only a joke" - not to be taken literally.
But
How can it be a joke if it is not funny? Who laughs at someone being pelted with excrement and being twinned with Rose West? The imagery is awful in this "joke".
He may have got away with it last century but not in 2022.

volver

^Perhaps covert racism is too nuanced to grasp?^

I think you've got your answer Dickens.

Indeed.

Whenever I hear the name "Jeremy Clarkson" I will see a picture of excrement.

Very eloquently put VS,,first time I've agreed with you? Your post today. 7 am.

volver

^Perhaps covert racism is too nuanced to grasp?^

I think you've got your answer Dickens.

Yep!

VioletSky

I've always seen myself as a moderate but apparently I'm a far left not worth listening too because it's clear that sexism and racism are still a thing that need shouting at till they go away.

Allsorts? Sorry, which bit do you agree with?

Very interesting here. Blaming the Government for refusing to agree to new Law that would have made it unlawful for Clarkson, and The Sun, for publishing this abhorrent stuff

fb.watch/hxXQa4DT7l/

I'm suggesting that those who feel strongly might consider joining me in reporting Clarkson to the Independent Press complaints people.

Just fill in simple form online, and FYI the article was in the Sun on 17th December.

www.ipso.co.uk/contact-us/

Wyllow3

I'm suggesting that those who feel strongly might consider joining me in reporting Clarkson to the Independent Press complaints people.

Just fill in simple form online, and FYI the article was in the Sun on 17th December.

www.ipso.co.uk/contact-us/

For those who have filled in the form, what code of conduct did you think the Clarkson and his editor broke?

icanhandthemback

Wyllow3

I'm suggesting that those who feel strongly might consider joining me in reporting Clarkson to the Independent Press complaints people.

Just fill in simple form online, and FYI the article was in the Sun on 17th December.

www.ipso.co.uk/contact-us/

For those who have filled in the form, what code of conduct did you think the Clarkson and his editor broke?

It would appear judging by ipso's code of conduct, neither of them broke any rules.

An opinion, bathed though it might be in misogyny, is not part of the code. Neither is misandry I would assume.

Ofcom took no further action after the police investigation of Joe Brand's 'battery acid' comment deeming that whilst it had the potential to offend, it was not likely to incite "the commission of a crime". Nigel Farage thought otherwise, though I don't believe, from what I gather, that it was him who asked the police to investigate, though he thought they should. I do wonder if he views Clarkson's comment in the same light.

However, Brand's apology was at least more meaningful than Clarkson's "oh-dear-I-seem-to-have-upset-a-lot-of-people" type apology. She admitted hers was "crass and ill-judged".

So it's not against any code of conduct basically to hate women or men - or in this case, a particular woman - and to make that hatred public.

My own opinion (not that I think it matters much) is that there are some deeply unpleasant people 'out there' - perhaps also emotionally and mentally 'unstable' (for want of a better way of putting it) whose own brand of hatred is vindicated by such comments. The online threats to high-profile individuals are coming from somewhere - those warriors of the keyboard who, allegedly, occupy their mothers' basements, poised and ready?

That is just how I feel Dickens. I think their code of conduct should be looked at again.

Indeed- the Government has refused to do so- so they are partly responsible.

One word " Vile"