Charles may pay for Andrew's security

M0nica

PA is an obnoxious man, I have friends who were in the navy, and he was cordially disliked, but he has not been charged or convicted on any sex charge. The woman who said she was underage when he slept with her, has admitted to making mistakes in her memories and she was not, at the time, underage under British law. I am not familiar with the kind of parties he attended, but I am not aware that these girls have their birth certificates tucked in their bras and every man consorting with them checks them first.

This is not to defend him in anyway, but while, like many men, he fancied sex with young women, no suggestion has ever been made that he had any interest in children.

How the King chooses to spend his private income is nobodies business but his.

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We'll never know the real truth Yammy. As for the only two people who do know, one was prepared to pay to make it all go away, and the other prepared to accept payment.

Doesn't say much about either of them really does it.

Well isn't that what big brothers are for? Send you to stand in the corner but still have some sympathy for you. Who knows what is the real truth if the woman in question can't remember and neither can PA remember meeting her?

M0nica

PA is an obnoxious man, I have friends who were in the navy, and he was cordially disliked, but he has not been charged or convicted on any sex charge. The woman who said she was underage when he slept with her, has admitted to making mistakes in her memories and she was not, at the time, underage under British law. I am not familiar with the kind of parties he attended, but I am not aware that these girls have their birth certificates tucked in their bras and every man consorting with them checks them first.

This is not to defend him in anyway, but while, like many men, he fancied sex with young women, no suggestion has ever been made that he had any interest in children.

How the King chooses to spend his private income is nobodies business but his.

I agree with M0nica*

He is sleazy and I know people who served with him who say he is pompous and arrogant (unlike his older brother).

However, the girls were groomed and were underage when he allegedly visited then in America.

He's not been found guilty in a court of law.

It's interesting, however, that he needs a high level of security. Perhaps there are others more powerful than him who worry that he could name them.

The guy is a sex offender and I'd say it to his face

Charles pays for Andrew’s security with our money.

I think I’m more shocked by the colossal amount of money involved for PA’s security (regardless of who pays it).

£3 million p.a.?
How much do these security firms charge p.a.? Multiplied by several operatives to cover shift patterns & sick leave etc.

But £3 million? Sheesh. A mind boggling sum of money.

He's not a sex offender in the eyes of the law GagaJo, which is innocent until proven guilty; neither his innocence or his guilt was ever proved.

That’s very true. But other high profile names have been mentioned too.
As I say, we will never know.

Maybe PA had the highest profile Forsythia. She managed to secure a very hefty financial settlement didn't she.

She may well have been a prostitute as some on here claim but she was a young teenage girl who probably now bitterly regrets what happened to her.

If, say, she was in her late 20’s or 30’s and has ensnared a willing but stupid man then some might say she knew what she was doing. Entrapment maybe? Who knows.

What I find odd is why nobody else has been outed as a client in this business. Was he the only one? If not, then who were the others and why were they not pursued?

I guess, like all things, we may find out eventually. Or not.

In terms of paying for security, if it’s happening, I suspect others will get their security paid for by the family too.

I agree with everything you say easybee, except for your last sentence as I believe that if the King wishes to pay for his brothers protection out of his own finances, then that is a matter for them and nothing to do with anyone else. I believe Andrew behaved arrogantly, recklessly and very foolishly, but I certainly don't think that he behaved criminally. DH spent quite a few years in the RN and we too have friends whose offspring knew Andrew, and no he was not universally popular!! But I certainly don't think he was wicked and I sometimes think he's been punished enough for something unproven involving a prostitute whose own father gave her lifts to various venues.

Actually the age of consent is quite complex even in this country for example there are certain acts in this country that are illegal at age 17. A sleazy man in my area went to prison for sexual acts with a 17 year old.

Virginia Guiffre was working as a prostitute for Epstein at the time she alleges she met Prince Andrew; the original photograph showing their 'meeting' and thought to be faked mysteriously disappeared from her lawyer's possession ; having signed an agreement to make no further claims as a condition of receiving compensation from Epstein she reneged after his death but has only pursued Andrew. I do not think he was guilty; I think he was extremely badly advised, and consequently was never tried nor judged. It was a huge mistake to pay hush money to Guiffre, and I am sad if this was the Queen's decision, to stop the prosecution. His fault was associating with Epstein, and then trying to defend him; badly misplaced loyalty.

That said, I don't see why a man who carries out no public duties should expect round the clock protection, with someone else paying.

Yes Doodledog whether we like it or not, technically he's innocent as the case never went to trial and there was no conviction.

Good post Monica.

PA is an obnoxious man, I have friends who were in the navy, and he was cordially disliked, but he has not been charged or convicted on any sex charge. The woman who said she was underage when he slept with her, has admitted to making mistakes in her memories and she was not, at the time, underage under British law. I am not familiar with the kind of parties he attended, but I am not aware that these girls have their birth certificates tucked in their bras and every man consorting with them checks them first.

This is not to defend him in anyway, but while, like many men, he fancied sex with young women, no suggestion has ever been made that he had any interest in children.

How the King chooses to spend his private income is nobodies business but his.

Oh absolutely. And whether Virginia Giuffre misidentified someone or not, there is little doubt in my mind that PA was guilty - he would have sued her if not, and wouldn't have paid her compensation.

But the fact remains that he is technically innocent, and if we over-ride that principle we are looking at a very different justice system.

Good point VS.

Most sex offenders are never found guilty

Only 1% of alleged rapes in the UK are charged and convicted and rates are no better elsewhere

Unless you think that 99% of women who report a rape are telling fibs, realistically, the odds were in his favour even before the fame

I read recently that the woman involved (sorry, can't remember her name) with PA has recently admitted she 'made a mistake' in another case in which she was involved. A misidentification, I think. I suppose it would be difficult to misidentify PA but as others have said he has not actually been found guilty. Just saying!

Norah

The King loves his brother, who has been accused of unproven crimes. The King has money. IF he does indeed choose to pay for his brother's security does it really matter? Best PA is safe during the King's reign.

I think I agree in principle. Morally, maybe not, as Charles' money is, effectively, public money; but that would be to split hairs.

It sticks in the throat, but if we got rid of the 'innocent until proven guilty' aspect of British justice, where would any of us be?

The King loves his brother, who has been accused of unproven crimes. The King has money. IF he does indeed choose to pay for his brother's security does it really matter? Best PA is safe during the King's reign.

He should pay for him to have protection at his home only.

No more running about with underage girls

I agree with Casdon - and I presume this will be a private arrangement paid for out of his private money.

Smileless2012

He is not a convicted sex offender.

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