Neopronouns

VS again VS?

VioletSky

Something that just popped into my head I want to share because it matters to me

When my daughter asked someone what was on their face and can she touch it, he said "of course you can" and smiled at her then explained what it was

I would wish the world was populated by people like that, I really would.

But I cannot rely on the rest of the human race to be as kind and understanding to my daughter so I teach her how to engage with others politely. I cannot rely on the rest of the human race to know she is autistic as she doesn't wear a sign so I teach her how to to get her needs met without putting herself in dangerous situations in a world the contains a scary ampunt of nasty angry people.

Good people like the one with the large mole she found fascinating exist in every demographic including trans people and I would love to hold everyone to that standard...

Yet I won't be here forever and I can't protect her forever and I do my absolute best to help her engage with the world and cope with her stims from being overstimulated and teach her to create safe spaces and how to find a changing room or a toilet to decompress in because I can't always burrow into a clothing rack with her.

And it's all for her benefit, not trans people's or people she observes are fat or have a big nose or really fascinating moles

Just hers

OK goodnight those who read that and understood me for what I was saying all along

My grandson's uncle who is also on the spectrum, but to a much lesser degree, has learned many of the social 'mores' which is why I know that my grandson never will.
I would have thought VS that if your daughter is so affected by her autism you'd have been the first to have total sympathy with the families of those with much greater problems (especially those with severe co-morbidities) who know these are unattainable for their relatives.

However this is not a thread about trans people anyway. was a quote from an earlier post .

^However this is not a thread about trans people anyway.

Well, who is it that wants neopronouns?
Isn't it people under the trans umbrella?

Something that just popped into my head I want to share because it matters to me

When my daughter asked someone what was on their face and can she touch it, he said "of course you can" and smiled at her then explained what it was

I would wish the world was populated by people like that, I really would.

But I cannot rely on the rest of the human race to be as kind and understanding to my daughter so I teach her how to engage with others politely. I cannot rely on the rest of the human race to know she is autistic as she doesn't wear a sign so I teach her how to to get her needs met without putting herself in dangerous situations in a world the contains a scary ampunt of nasty angry people.

Good people like the one with the large mole she found fascinating exist in every demographic including trans people and I would love to hold everyone to that standard...

Yet I won't be here forever and I can't protect her forever and I do my absolute best to help her engage with the world and cope with her stims from being overstimulated and teach her to create safe spaces and how to find a changing room or a toilet to decompress in because I can't always burrow into a clothing rack with her.

And it's all for her benefit, not trans people's or people she observes are fat or have a big nose or really fascinating moles

Just hers

OK goodnight those who read that and understood me for what I was saying all along

VioletSky

Rosie51 That's the sort of thing I mean. You just called me cruel and insensitive and egotistical and inexperienced and said you will discount my views...

Despite my agreeing with you that some children cannot learn this and I wouldn't expect anyone to be offended by that but I would expect parents and caregivers to educate where possible on how to navigate social circles which is for the benefit of the child no one else

I mean, thanks and everything for proving my point about how people on these threads deliberately look for reasons to have a go on a personal level but... meh

It's just uncalled for

Imma flounce and wait to see if things get back on track or as I like to call it, exercising boundaries and self respect for how I spend my time

That way I won't have to read the passive aggressive agreements

Luckily I work with children (i do specialise in SEN and emotional support), and I am an incredibly patient person so this won't bother me for longer than it takes to type this reply

And... I feel better

I didn't see where you said agreeing with you that some children cannot learn this

I didn't call you egotistical, I called people whose indignation at being 'misgendered' meant more to them than a vulnerable person's wellbeing egotistical.

Unless you work in a highly specialised unit such as my grandson attends, then you are 'inexperienced' in that level of 'disability'. I use the word 'disability' since he gets disability benefits. Working in a school that can accommodate some neurodiverse pupils is not on any level like a highly specialised unit, and I'm surprised that you would equate your experience as being equal?

And I'm so pleased for you that I am an incredibly patient person so this won't bother me for longer than it takes to type this reply and just wish that was true for my grandson who will wake up tomorrow with the same difficulties he took with him to bed tonight. Luckily he has incredibly patient teachers and TAs who accept him for himself, put his feelings above their own, and are doing their very best to help him face the world he's forced to live in.

Ah, and there we have it! A cry of outrage that someone is disagreeing and an accusation that it was a personal attack.

This is exactly why I am pointing personal nastiness out when it happens - I have long said that personal slurs come from the trans lobby, not the fact-based side of the debate, as I am sick of the implication that they are being bullied.

Bringing what up VS?

I sympathise. When I read the post on MN, I thought it was a valid point, and one I hadn’t considered before. It would have been good to have a proper discussion about it, rather than personal slurs and attacks. It seems to me another case where the wishes of the trans lobbyists are put ahead of the needs of others.

Rosie51 That's the sort of thing I mean. You just called me cruel and insensitive and egotistical and inexperienced and said you will discount my views...

Despite my agreeing with you that some children cannot learn this and I wouldn't expect anyone to be offended by that but I would expect parents and caregivers to educate where possible on how to navigate social circles which is for the benefit of the child no one else

I mean, thanks and everything for proving my point about how people on these threads deliberately look for reasons to have a go on a personal level but... meh

It's just uncalled for

Imma flounce and wait to see if things get back on track or as I like to call it, exercising boundaries and self respect for how I spend my time

That way I won't have to read the passive aggressive agreements

Luckily I work with children (i do specialise in SEN and emotional support), and I am an incredibly patient person so this won't bother me for longer than it takes to type this reply

And... I feel better

The lack of understanding and compassion for people like my grandson fills me with despair for his future. When we, his family, are no longer around to care for and protect him, what will be?

VioletSky other sutistic individuals may not be but I would hope the adults around them would try the same way adults would try and educate that it's not polite to tell someone they are fat or have a big nose or "what is that thing on your face, can I touch it?"... of course my darling grandson's parents try to gently socialise him with what is 'polite society' but first and foremost is his security and well-being. If you truly think someone like my grandson should be further distressed by lectures on 'politeness' then I'm afraid I think you're being cruel and totally insensitive to a truly vulnerable individual. Anybody who puts their sensitivity above the real problems of somebody like my grandson is so egotistical that I will happily discount their views. I appreciate you work in a school for 'normal' children, which includes some neurodiverse pupils, but there is a whole spectrum of children of whom you have no experience at all.

I don't think there are many people who would mind being misgendered by accident or misunderstanding. My dsughteris very blunt and often says things she doesn't realise others will find rude. She is able to learn these lessons, other sutistic individuals may not be but I would hope the adults around them would try the same way adults would try and educate that it's not polite to tell someone they are fat or have a big nose or "what is that thing on your face, can I touch it?"... been there

It's the people who are very capable and choose not too that are rude and discriminatory

doodledog why do you have to keep bringing that up like its some sort of war, I can't hold a grudge, my mind doesn't work that way

Objectively, threads about trans people do get nasty but if you can't just have a discussion and continuously look for issues that's a big part of why.

We are all responsible for fixing that collectively and I draw a clean slate and try every time I engage yet, it turns to poo

However this is not a thread about trans people anyway

And blaming trans people for gender neutral pronouns is silly because they have existed at least since Shakespeare

Exactly, Rosie.

It’s not difficult to understand, unless you are choosing not to.

Can someone tell me where The Home for The Bewildered is? - I need to go Right Now 🤔😵🙄🙈

I have a grandson with severe autism and other co-morbidities. Anyone who says he needs to learn neo or any other third person pronouns, singular or normally plural, that don't match what his eyes tell him is being discriminatory against him and adding to his distress as he attempts to navigate a world that is frightening and confusing to him. He has enough problems in life, he deserves better, he deserves understanding. Why are so many dismissive of the huge struggles he and others like him face on a daily basis, and in my opinion it's far worse than being 'misgendered'? He isn't suited to mainstream education he attends a Special Academy for students with complex, low incidence special educational needs............. quality specialised education provision for young people with complex conditions but hey, he sees a boy and uses he/him to refer to this person....... obviously we need to revert to Victorian times when people like my grandson could be hidden away.

Forgot to add - remember this next time you claim you never make personal comments and are ‘hounded’ off threads when others make them to you? I’m trying to point out whenever the self-professed ‘victims’ are clearly the aggressors but it happens so often I sometimes forget.

I don’t find it amusing at all - however it’s expressed.

Oh, are you suggesting I’m lying? It wouldn’t be the first time you’ve done so. I’m not, but obviously believe what you like - it’s all the same to me. Dyslexia isn’t particularly rare - just because your son is dyslexic doesn’t preclude my daughter from also having the condition.

Doodledog

A. Take it up with the MN poster.

B. Yes, I do. My daughter is quite severely dyslexic.

But the MN poster isn't on this thread, you are, apparently reproducing their views with absolutely no attempt to confirm the reality of the situation.

Isn't it funny- so is my DS as I have posted so many times, in exactly those words.

A. Take it up with the MN poster.

B. Yes, I do. My daughter is quite severely dyslexic.

Dyslexia is a processing disorder

A dyslexic person may read 3 sounds c a t and be unable to recall the first sound so say "at". Or be unable to remember a series of directions.

Absolutely nothing to do with intelligence or ability to understand pronouns etc in literature

As glorianny says, lots of methods available to help

Doodledog

Glorianny

I refuse to get involved in a hypothetical discussion about an exam question which no one seems to actually have read. That's truly cloud cuckoo land.

So the book I read had a non-binary person as the hero. Naturally they were referred to as "they". How else should an author refer to a non-binary character?

I thought you would refuse to accept that it was difficult to navigate. Of course nobody has read the real question - it is on a thread where the OP is anonymous!

Other readers who don't struggle with analogies will see the point, I'm sure. Using plural pronouns complicates language (when not used to indicate plurals or people of non-specific sex). It does so in far more simple ways, such as when someone is talking about a person as 'they' and it isn't clear whether one person is being referred to or more, and it must be very difficult for someone struggling with autism and/or dyslexia to be expected to cope with it in an educational setting. I'm surprised the Diversity teams aren't all over it.

Anyone can post a question from any exam paper without any threat to their anonymity. Thousands of people take the tests every year, thousands of parents are involved. You can download the questions.
The idea that it is somehow revealing is nonsense.
Post any real question and I''ll discuss it.
I refuse to get involved in the fantasies of gender critical and discriminatory people on this thread or any others.

You really have no idea about dyslexia do you. The majority of dyslexics have no problems understanding anything if it is provided for them in a format they can easily access- for example a recording they can listen to. Their problem is caused by the difficulties they have accessing the written word. The diversity teams thank goodness have more understanding now and technology has provided so much that is helpful. Of course some still imagine that the ability to read is somehow linked to the ability to understand literature, it isn't.

Just to clarify, Bob is an actual fish that lives in a tank in my living room, not an online persona pretending to be cool and relevant

That's a whole different type of catfish

JaneJudge

well i knew it was Bob at least

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1723490394350987

JaneJudge

well i knew it was Bob at least

Bob is the name lf my catfish...

Bob is actually a female

I haven't asked Bob how they prefer to identify though to be fair

I do KS2 SATs if that helps

That question would be broken up for a start

And the context would be made very clear

Poor sod who has to work out 1 third of 100, hope they wouldn't have to take too many decimals with them