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Has anyone watched the 90 minute BBC documentary on Shamima Begum?

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Urmstongran Thu 09-Feb-23 13:45:09

I have.
It was insightful and a balanced attempt to understand her decision. I have changed my mind about her plight.

I think she should be brought back here to the UK, tried in a Court of law and sentenced by a jury.

She came across as somewhat manipulative - let’s face it she’s had plenty of time to think up some answers - and in my opinion the interviewer could have pressed her more on some issues. Occasionally she would just shrug. Or say ‘I don’t want to answer that’.

She was asked “what would you tell your 15 year old self?”
“Don’t go, bitch” was the reply.
Then she added “but I probably wouldn’t have listened anyway”.

To be honest I’m surprised to find I’ve changed my mind on this issue.

Fleurpepper Fri 24-Feb-23 19:59:06

No, but I would expect them to face the Law, and consequences, in this country.

My DGS is 16, and he is just a kid.

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Feb-23 19:59:13

Yes.

We can emote all we like.
But that is not what the Commisssion was asked to consider.

What part of it do you not understand, please?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 24-Feb-23 20:07:04

Greta Thunberg at 15 years old was addressing world leaders on climate change and being taking seriously despite being neuro diverse…

Fleurpepper Fri 24-Feb-23 20:24:07

Remarkable indeed. But she was a child, legally, in UK Law,

So was Shemima, a child, and groomed. There is NO denying that.

Glorianny Fri 24-Feb-23 20:28:06

Callistemon21

^All the sources I have found like the one posted by Callistemon21 say that dual citizenship is not permitted under Bangladeshi law^

Sorry, but my link does not say that.

Tried to cut and paste but it won't let me.
The 4th paragraph in your link says
In Bangladesh dual citizenship and nationality is not permitted by law
And later
The Bangladeshi government may grant dual citizenship
And finally
The decision of the government is in givig the satus of dual citizenship.
These are the actual words.

Glorianny Fri 24-Feb-23 20:29:08

Sorry for some reason the words "is final "have disappeared.

Fleurpepper Fri 24-Feb-23 20:29:21

Definitions of a child

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) defines a child as everyone under 18 unless, "under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier".
England

In England a child is defined as anyone who has not yet reached their 18th birthday. Child protection guidance points out that even if a child has reached 16 years of age and is:

living independently
in further education
a member of the armed forces
in hospital; or
in custody in the secure estate

they are still legally children and should be given the same protection and entitlements as any other child (Department for Education, 2018a).'

And much more so if below 16, as she was.

Farzanah Fri 24-Feb-23 21:02:27

Just read Zoejory’s link to Guardian editorial (13.55).
Says it all really.

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Feb-23 22:36:09

Fleurpepper

Remarkable indeed. But she was a child, legally, in UK Law,

So was Shemima, a child, and groomed. There is NO denying that.

Yes, of course. We all know that.

But that is not what this judgement was about.

Mattsmum2 Sun 26-Feb-23 08:32:57

I’ve just watched this and come to one conclusion. There is no emotion with anything she has said, done or witnessed, including the death of her three children, and maybe miscarriages also. This to me is someone who needs psychological help. She’s completely blank, no tears, nothing. There’s no way back from what she has done or experienced but our justice system may go some way to rehabilitation for her. At least she will have her family around her. She will not have a good time here but it will be a much better one than the camp she is in at the moment.

singingnutty Sun 26-Feb-23 17:50:44

I watched the programme and after some thought and discussion with other people I have decided I think she should be allowed to return to the UK. She should not be deprived of citizenship. She has given birth to 3 babies and lost them all. In the interview she said ‘my daughter was everything to me’. This was her first child and the child died. Imagine how a 16 year old could cope with that - and then to lose two more plus 2 miscarriages. She is traumatised and without hope, saying that she believes she will have to stay in the camp for ever. If she comes back to the UK her life will be pretty awful but there will be some kind of humanity in it.