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Has anyone watched the 90 minute BBC documentary on Shamima Begum?

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Wyllow3 Thu 09-Feb-23 14:25:08

googled:

:In Islam, a woman who wishes to terminate her marriage contract without the consent of her husband must do so by applying to the Shariah Council. This type of divorce is commonly referred to what is known as a Khula." (however no idea if its easy in practice!)

I didn't see the TV documentary but did listen to the series on R4.
I think she should be allowed to have British Citizenship and be tried in this country.
Because she was 15 and I believe she was groomed.

Because I do not believe her to be a danger, although I'm sure that boundaries would be laid down.

Farzanah Thu 09-Feb-23 14:22:44

I admire your honesty in saying you’ve changed your mind “Urms*. Many wouldn’t, or are so entrenched in their opinion they wouldn’t read/watch what didn’t conform to those views.

I watched the interview and there was a marked contrast between the 15 year old we saw setting off for Syria, and the woman she is today.
I guess this would be similar to all of us at 15.

I have always believed that stripping her of UK citizenship was unlawful, and she should be brought back to face trial here.

I found the interview quite insightful and I share some of your opinions but think it raised more questions than it answered.

Chocolatelovinggran Thu 09-Feb-23 14:21:35

Crossed posts Urmstongran! Someone else who thought the husband was deeply unpleasant!

Urmstongran Thu 09-Feb-23 14:19:52

Actually the 90 minutes passed really quickly. I thought ‘hmm, give this 10 minutes or so, see what all the fuss is about” and found myself engrossed. It was filmed over the course of a year. Her Dutch husband is a nasty piece of work. A ‘safe ISIS house’ where Shamima stayed with an Egyptian man & his family while her husband was in prison, was a place where an electrician had done some work. He doubted the veracity of some of Shamima’s accounts from her time there.

As I say, I found it an illuminating documentary.

Chocolatelovinggran Thu 09-Feb-23 14:19:41

I agree Urmstongran. It was a balanced and insightful programme. It has changed how I feel about her, too. I am very glad that stupid decisions I took at fifteen didn't come back to haunt me in the way that hers have. As an aside, I did not warm to her husband at all, but am I right in saying that under the law in which they were married, she is not able to divorce him, only he her?

TerriBull Thu 09-Feb-23 14:01:50

90 minutes is too long Urmston! That's not to say I don't have a certain sympathy for her. Bearing in mind she was 15, this is not the age of wisdom for most of us. In all sorts of contexts, young people make catastrophic decisions whilst "in the moment" of being swept along with crazy ideas when they are at their most susceptible. Lacking foresight can have a devastating effect, as this young woman has found out. I imagine she's matured and had to grow up very quickly through the many horrible experiences she's already had. I'm inclined to agree she should be brought back here.

Kate1949 Thu 09-Feb-23 13:59:53

I've seen her interviewed several times. She is British when it suits her and when she's in trouble. My opinion only if course.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Feb-23 13:53:56

Nice to read of an open mind🙂.

My opinion is and has always been that she was groomed. What she did was wrong and she should be made to recognise that.

She is a British citizen and we should deal with our own. Provided it isn’t Bravermans law.

Kate1949 Thu 09-Feb-23 13:53:30

She is becoming a celebrity. She's been on the cover of The Times magazine. Next stop Big Brother maybe.

Ailidh Thu 09-Feb-23 13:49:57

No, I'll go and have a look for that, thankyou.

I've long felt sorry for her situation, as someone who was groomed and maybe trafficked at 15.

Urmstongran Thu 09-Feb-23 13:45:09

I have.
It was insightful and a balanced attempt to understand her decision. I have changed my mind about her plight.

I think she should be brought back here to the UK, tried in a Court of law and sentenced by a jury.

She came across as somewhat manipulative - let’s face it she’s had plenty of time to think up some answers - and in my opinion the interviewer could have pressed her more on some issues. Occasionally she would just shrug. Or say ‘I don’t want to answer that’.

She was asked “what would you tell your 15 year old self?”
“Don’t go, bitch” was the reply.
Then she added “but I probably wouldn’t have listened anyway”.

To be honest I’m surprised to find I’ve changed my mind on this issue.