Why oh why is there so much hate

MerylStreep

VioletSky
The Mirror article you linked stated that it May have been a hate crime
Keep looking. Your bound to find something that suits yours and Fleurpeppers agenda.

What are you talking about? I have in no way stated any thoughts about whether this was a hate crime anywhere at all

Galaxy

When gay people were campaigning for rights much of the speech they used was considered dangerous and offensive. Were they saying mean things?

When I was campaigning for my rights as LGBT I never did in any way utter any hate speech or have in prejudice against any other group galaxy

Did I call people names? Probably told them to get lost in less polite terms

But mostly I called them closed minded, illogical, backwards, oppressive, prejudiced and discriminatory

I can't speak for anyone else

VioletSky
The Mirror article you linked stated that it May have been a hate crime
Keep looking. Your bound to find something that suits yours and Fleurpeppers agenda.

Even where I live, a small community of 120 houses, mainly families there is violence by children. One family had to call police as 10 year old daughter was being bullied and eventually assaulted by group of girls aged 10 /12. There is no deprivation in fact quite the opposite in the area. The kids are out on electric scooters and go-carts and you daren't ask them to move out of the way when on the pavement. You can just hear the stock comments the adults give them when the kids talk back. You should move out of the way I'm a child, I have rights, what are you going to do about it, I'm not speaking to you in case of stranger danger. Society has lost an element of taking responsibility, it's always someone else's fault and job to sort it out. Social media is being ruled out in the case of the young girl even though she was an influencer on TikTok.

When gay people were campaigning for rights much of the speech they used was considered dangerous and offensive. Were they saying mean things?

I mean, I don't care, it's a pointless reason to argue GG I was just saying

Just because people say "freedom of speech" so often now, usually wailed by those who want to say mean things, doesn't mean that's the actual term for it

VioletSky

"GG" it clearly says freedom of expression under the heading "freedom of speech"

We have freedom of expression which comes under Indovidual Liberty and yes it comes with many many limitations GDPR being another example

Is not speech a form of expression?

And limitations on speech always in the end impact the most vulnerable groups.

"GG" it clearly says freedom of expression under the heading "freedom of speech"

We have freedom of expression which comes under Indovidual Liberty and yes it comes with many many limitations GDPR being another example

"Maybe hatred of others is inbred" that would be inbred English hatred, why of course So boringly predictable the undisguised veiled anti English sentiments, imagine how YOU would react if anyone were to infer there could possibly be an inbred Scottish hatred!

Here Fleur

No paywall

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brianna-ghey-police-admit-fatal-29215321

They are also clearly stating that speculation on line is not helpful. Its difficult but it's also important to remember the alleged assailants are also children.

I'm struggling as there are so many more newer stories Fleur

I will try again but the police are now investigating if this was a hate crime according to Sky News

news.sky.com/story/brianna-ghey-trans-teenager-stabbed-to-death-could-have-been-targeted-in-hate-crime-police-say-12810856

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VioletSky

It's "freedom of expression" which comes under Individual Liberty and because people have a right to Tolerance and Respect we have laws defining Hate speech which means people are not at liberty to ignore others rights to tolerance and respect

Which is why in my post upthread I said that freedom of speech comes with responsibilities.

Description of Article 10

VioletSky

Police have declared it was a "targeted attack" Fleur so yes her identity could be a factor

I would have thought they are withholding those thoughts until evidenced as the current climate is volatile as we can see

Do you have any links to that?

Hate it was, for sure.

The thing in Liverpool was started because one of the immigrants was asking a 15yr for sex and she said it’s against the law in this country and ppl are concerned for their daughters grandkids as for the knife crime that is something that started a few years ago and it’s getting worse everyday a child is getting killed by a child if we allow ppl in our country who carrying weapons is a way of life then of course it’s going to take over here it’s got to get worse before it gets better

It's "freedom of expression" which comes under Individual Liberty and because people have a right to Tolerance and Respect we have laws defining Hate speech which means people are not at liberty to ignore others rights to tolerance and respect

VioletSky

We don't have "freedom of speech* in the UK GG

That's the US

We have Individual Liberty, which goes along with Tolerance and Respect.

So no, we don't have "freedom of speech" which is why we have laws about hate speech.

Now that is taught in primary school, yes

Human rights act 1998 Article 10 explains clearly the freedom of speech and opinions in the U.K.

If you care to Google you can find it in full.

Police have declared it was a "targeted attack" Fleur so yes her identity could be a factor

I would have thought they are withholding those thoughts until evidenced as the current climate is volatile as we can see

This is a discussion about hate and violence, I have already clearly said I'm not interested in a trans discussion

I'm interested in what motivates hate speech amd violence and how to combat it

Hence my reply because clearly people still engage in hate speech despite apparently being aware of what it is

I based my comment on the fact her friends said she had been bullied for being trans for a very long time, and the fact that the DM had found out her male name from opticians.

Her killing may not be related to the fact she was trans, but you have no proof of that either, despite what the police say. How can the stabbing of a teenager by other teenagers not be a 'hate' crime? So, yes, I am prepared to say her death may not be related to her trans status. As a friend, as a parent, mourning her tragic and cruel death- I would have liked her deep wishes about her gender to be respected. The very fact many here say 'it just does not matter' is an indication of lack of respect, and possibly more.

doodledog

You said "Of course people are taught what a hate crime is"

I replied to that, so I tagged you in it

Really interesting article on the BBC about why young men relate to Andrew Tate, fairly scary but important to think about why that is.

VioletSky

Doodledog

Is that a dig, VS? Was there really any need?

What are you talking about?

I would have thought it was obvious that I am talking about your post above, in which you mentioned me by name in a post about an agenda and people not applying laws to themselves, both of which are things you have accused me (very wrongly) of being guilty of doing.

As I have repeatedly said on this thread, both the death of Brianna and the incident at the asylum hostel were terrible things, and I have also said repeatedly on other threads that I have nothing at all against transpeople, but it is clear that you don't believe me, and it appears that you are dragging your prejudice against me onto this thread, and there is no need for it.

I'm guessing that Fleurpepper is not going to substantiate her claim that the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male despite a number of requests for links. If there is no evidence of that, it is a libel against the so-called 'gender critical', yet you have tried to police my posts for questioning the rather tasteless hijack of a murder to smear those with different views about the law as it relates to self-id. That's what I am talking about.