Why oh why is there so much hate

In the past we would only know about crimes if they appeared in national newspapers, now we know more via the internet.

We also know of all the hatred because of social media, people used to keep their thoughts and opinions to themselves.

Who knows BlueBelle. It just gets harder and harder to listen to the news. That poor girl and two 15 year old's are in custody for the crime I think.

I don't think it necessarily is hate.

To me it seems more like a dreadful indifference to the awful action of depriving another person of life, for a chillingly pointless reason: 'because he looked at me funny, she was rude to me, they shouldn't be here, it was only a joke'.

Often quite meaningless. then someone dead and families wrecked because of a casual encounter.

That’s 3 families in bits today and one organising a funeral.
Heartbreaking.

It is unfortunately not new - instead of "trans", enter "gay" for past generations

I think many people feel unheard, ignored and disenfranchised. On the news they hear of ministers swanning around in private jets and in the same breath food bank usage shooting up, a lot of papers and news out lets stoke hatred of “the others” and then there are websites and so called influencers promulgating misogyny and hate crime.
None of this excuses this of course but probably is a reason

I just think people have become very aware of what THEY feel. Their rights. Their hurts. ‘Don’t disrespect me’ etc. And lash out way too aggressively.

Well I hear all those things too Jenpax and it sticks in my craw but I don’t want to kill anyone I do agree about the influencers (one in particular)
I know the girl was transgender hithere but it said that it had nothing to do with the killing it wasn’t about her gender

So so much anger and hatred and no real explanation I think it’s far too simplistic to say we hear more about it now than we did we certainly do but that’s not the whole story at all

eazybee

I don't think it necessarily is hate.

To me it seems more like a dreadful indifference to the awful action of depriving another person of life, for a chillingly pointless reason: 'because he looked at me funny, she was rude to me, they shouldn't be here, it was only a joke'.

Often quite meaningless. then someone dead and families wrecked because of a casual encounter.

Entirely agree eazybee this almost casual attitude to knife crime etc is frightening.
So many reasons put forward for this behaviour , it's a very complex problem.

I think you would need to look at the statistics on violent crime over a period of years to work out whether it is an increase or we are more exposed to the information about crime. Knife crime is certainly increasing, but I dont know if that means there is an increase in violent crime as such or rather the way people enact violence is changing.

There is no deterrent,under 16s know nothing will happen to them,so they do what they like.
Good parenting has pretty much gone out of the window.
And sadly it will NOT improve.

Unfortunately the internet facilitates hatred and mob mentality.

The immigration centre was in the same area where during Lockdown an idiot set fire to a 5G phone mast believing them to be responsible for Covid - all because of rumours spread on social media and the internet.

When it comes to young people stabbing each other there are of course issues around gangs and drugs. If not that then I blame the 'media' which includes a whole host of things, movies, TV, video games, even music, which constantly present images of hate and violence. Years ago we had no access to anything like that so unless it was part of your real life we grew up innocent. Stabbing someone would never have crossed my mind, nor my children. Now they see these things on TV or in games all the time and become used to it.

Brianna Ghey: a 16-year-old trans girl has been killed in Cheshire but two other teenagers.

And the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

where have you seen this about her death certificate Fleurpepper?

Galaxy

I think you would need to look at the statistics on violent crime over a period of years to work out whether it is an increase or we are more exposed to the information about crime. Knife crime is certainly increasing, but I dont know if that means there is an increase in violent crime as such or rather the way people enact violence is changing.

I just looked, and there isn’t an increase in the homicide rate in the UK. I think the media has a lot to answer for with this, because every death is so hyped up. Of course they are all terrible -but given how many thousands of people have died in Ukraine, and in the earthquakes in Turkey and Syria, we are fed a very skewed view I think.

Yes that was sort of what I was getting at, from what I can see (and stats can be slippery things!) I dont think there has been a significant rise in homicide. A rise in knife crime is a concern obviously.
We tend to want simple answers to really complex problems but that's not helpful.

Galaxy

I think you would need to look at the statistics on violent crime over a period of years to work out whether it is an increase or we are more exposed to the information about crime. Knife crime is certainly increasing, but I dont know if that means there is an increase in violent crime as such or rather the way people enact violence is changing.

I believe Stephen Pinker (he of the gorgeous hair) has done just this in his book. “The better Angels of our Nature”. Tracing through history, he states that statistically the world is less violence now, although our perceptions may differ because we are more aware of violence and war.

However it was written in 2011!

''Many used their platform to point out that Brianna’s death highlights the issue of the gender recognition act, which will mean her death certificate cannot list her as female.

Alejandra Caraballo wrote: “Important to note. The gender recognition act that the gender criticals keep fighting, with horrific, demonising language, means that Brianna Ghey’s death certificate cannot list her gender as female. As a final insult, the English government will officially misgender her in death.”

A Gender Recognition Certificate allows trans people to be recognised properly on birth, death, marriage and civil partnership certificates.

Across the UK, trans people must submit a body of evidence, including a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, before they can obtain one.

In December, Scotland passed legislation that would have removed the medical requirement, among other efforts to make the process simpler and more accessible. But, last month the UK government blocked the reform in what’s been described as an unprecedented attack on devolution.''

Thanks Fleurpepper but I don't agree this is the anti trans brigade find(ing) nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

People who have and continue to express their concerns about changes to GRC are not by definition anti trans and I do think it would be a shame to use this tragedy to fuel a trans gender debate.

Totally agree, but some social media sites have been doing just that.

It's a shame that the death of a child has to be used to bash so-called 'gender critical' feminists, who had nothing to do with the crime. Yes, the victim was a transgirl, but she could just as easily have been a goth or one of a number of groups of people who attract the attention of thugs.

It is tragic that so many young people go out for the evening and never come home, and that others are going to spend many years in jail, for nothing at all. Random or motiveless attacks do seem to be on the increase, but I don't know if they actually are - there used to be fights between mods and rockers, hippies and skinheads or punks and so on. Football violence was equally random and pointless - maybe some young people have some sort of in-built need to be aggressive and to destry what is not like them?

It's horrible, and I don't know what the answer is. If we could stop gangs, and drugs, and tribalism the world would be a happier place, but we have never been free of those things, unfortunately, and it seems unlikely that we ever will be. My heart goes out to the family of Brianna Ghey, and to the people in the hostel, and also to the families of the perpetrators who have lost their children too.

That legislation,Fleurpepper would just bring us into line with most of Europe .Maybe thats the problem the WM clowns dont want anything even good things that would associate them with Europe.
Its a sad day when all an activist is concerned about is what gender is on a death certificate,kind of says it all about these bigots
It will come to the rUK though ,Starmer had a meeting with people from the Trans community last week and said he would upgrade the legislation ,and the tories will need to move with the times eventually too

Urmstongran

That’s 3 families in bits today and one organising a funeral.
Heartbreaking.

Yes Urms I always think that too, obviously the sympathy is with the family of the victim, but I think the family of the perpetrators have too suffered a huge shock, a loss, a tragedy, and one for which they will get little or no sympathy or help. The implications for them are huge too, ostracised, hostility, bullying at school of siblings. Not that this takes away from what has happened to the family of the victim, of course, but as you say 'three families in bits'.