Short School Skirts.

Children not wearing uniform properly is a discipline issue, if parents refuse to back the school up that sends the wrong message to the child.

Discipline, in particular self discipline is important, when they leave school a great many employers requires a uniform of some kind, not only for presentation reasons but safety as well, When children are allowed to disregard rules at will they find it very hard accept the self discipline at university or follow instructions at work

Even turning up on time is a challenge for some young workers as is the ability to follow instructions, it hardly surprising that employers are reluctant to train them.

When DD1 started high school, the head had a meeting with parents at which he announced that, “We are an oversubscribed school. By accepting a place here you are agreeing to support school rules with regard to behaviour, uniform and lessons. We ask you to sign a home-school agreement to that effect.
If you don’t feel able to do that, then this is possibly not the school for your child.
We all hastily signed.

It is just too bad that a head teacher would have to inveigle parents to sign up to an agreement that every parent should take for granted.

Caleo

It is just too bad that a head teacher would have to inveigle parents to sign up to an agreement that every parent should take for granted.

Inveigling didn’t come into it. He didn’t inveigle, persuade (someone) to do something by means of deception or flattery
It was a straight out statement.
You’re right about the expectation of support for school rules being something parents (and teachers) should be able to take for granted, but a minority of parents oppose anything that doesn’t suit them.
I’m reminded of no sweets in lunch-boxes and the parents who popped in fruit winders or strawberry laces because fruit is good for them or only water in water bottles and the parent who added Vimto because the child was allergic to water.

One and a half inches above the floor when kneeling. Needless to say as soon as we were out of the door, our waistbands were rolled over and over until our shirts were pelmet length and then our purse belts were clamped over the bulge. No tights, just knee length socks and bare legs.

Katie59 I have no idea how boys with sensory issues cope - I only have a girl with a sensory processing problem. Which she has, sadly, inherited from myself. You sound just like my mother who failed to acknowledge this problem with myself and belittles my daughter about it. It really is hard work.

And if there is an option that works for girls with sensory issues it's a good idea to use it rather than not because it doesnt work for boys. And actually why wouldnt a skirt type of clothing work for boys as well.

GagaJo

As a teacher, I used to get fed up with girls in skirts so short I could see bum cheeks. With protests of 'body shaming' if it was brought up.

All, boys, girls, trans, should wear trousers. IMO. Cut out all the problems.

They definitely should gave the choice to wear trousers, GagaJo, or skirts - some may argue, but a kilt is still a skirt, so if it's good enough for the Scots and all that!!

*Have not gave, sorry.

Granmarderby10

Oreo it seems that adolescent and adult males are challenged by so very many things and a short school skirt worn over dark thick tights or leggings ought to be the very least of these.
Interestingly though, you don’t here of many lads wanting to wear skirts or dresses (yet) it’ll happen I’m sure.

You obviously weren't reading/watching the news last summer, when some boys wore their sisters or friends skirts to school because the stupid schools said no shorts!!
Girls freeze in winter because they can't wear trousers, while boys boil in summer because they can't wear shorts, it's all so ridiculous!!

Ive never approved of school uniforms. The argument that it filters out income barriers between rich and poorer families does not hold water. Children from poorer families just wear scruffy or second hand uniforms, as I did. They still get picked on. Better to allow them to wear plain informal clothes without brand logos. Joggers and t-shirts would be far more sensible.

If I had kids at school I would be one of "those" parents leading the fight against school uniforms. Many European countries manage perfectly well without them.

When I went to school (1950s) skirts were quite long. I wore a pleated skirt one day and felt very grown up because it touched the ground when I was sitting on a chair.

Too short. Too long. Seen it all before!

Ali08
Girls freeze in winter because they can't wear trousers, while boys boil in summer because they can't wear shorts, it's all so ridiculous!!
Where do you live that stops girls wearing trousers for school? All the primaries and secondaries near me allow it, even the grammar and fee-paying schools.
I don’t know about the shorts, but the girls who choose to wear trousers, wear them all year around same as the boys do. They don’t swap to skirts in the summer.
Mostly the boys swap to jeans or joggers at the weekend, summer or winter, though the odd pair of shorts does appear once the weather gets hot. As soon as one pair appears the wearing of shorts spreads like a rash.

Is there ever a school rule that bans thick warm leggings under the skirt? These are both modest and inexpensive.

This is a bit off piste, but when I mentioned the thread to DD2, she said “Remember that book you used to tell us about?
Shorter skirts by Seymour Nickers!

Yes biglouis I loved the novelty of having a school uniform when I moved to senior school. It was the full regalia with velour hat and panama in summer. All brand new and gorgeous.
I had never had to wear one at my infant and junior school, thinking back now, it was only the boys and girls from the nearby orphanage that had to wear them. I was very happy at that school but not so much at the senior school.
Practical and comfortable for boys and girls should be the only consideration.
Concentrate on the education of children, not their appearance.

I haven’t seen particularly short uniform skirts here, it must be different. They are quite strict on uniforms, though. I pick up kids from a secondary college most days and they all basically dress the same. The senior ones have a different coloured jumper and the final year students have a windcheater with their name embroidered on it. Not an issue it seems.

Simple answer of course – trousers for all.

LadyHonoriaDedlock

Simple answer of course – trousers for all.

Well yes, but that would involve taking away rights of females to wear customary dress and compulsion to wear male garments.
Simple answer -skirts for all?

Boys are already denied the right to wear skirts, or in many schools to grow their hair long. I don't think trousers are viewed as especially male garments in this day and age, especially by younger people.

LadyHonoriaDedlock

Boys are already denied the right to wear skirts, or in many schools to grow their hair long. I don't think trousers are viewed as especially male garments in this day and age, especially by younger people.

Boys and skirts is for them to battle.
The mixed sex high schools and primary schools near us avoid stating which items of clothing are for which sex. e.g. uniform is navy skirt or trousers (not skinny or jeans), white shirt etc.
Do you see compelling girls who aren’t comfortable in trousers and would never wear them out of school as fair or right? Trousers would be seen as male apparel by those girls.
In your view, would it be more fair to compel all girls to wear trousers down to compel all boys to wear skirts?

I don't know, MollyGo. I don't know any women or girls who are uncomfortable in trousers, nor any who view trousers as male attire. That's not to say they don't exist, they simply aren't in the circles I mix in. I know plenty in those circles who feel uncomfortable in skirts and I know some who are angry that they have been required to wear skirts (and high-heels) in their workplace.

Kilts are unisex garments but are more expensive and more draughty than bifurcated leg coverings.

There are two criteria for school uniform:
1. Warm for winter, cool for summer.
2. Modesty regarding both sexuality and conspicuous consumption.

I thought of another criterion:

3. Unrestricting for going to the toilet, menstruation, and hand washing; and for freedom of movement e.g. no fashion corsets.

Kate1949

We used to roll ours over at the waist when we left home, roll them back down at school then back over when we left school. I'm not sure skirts are shorter now. Mine we're pretty short.

I do so remember doing this too.