Come in trisher!

I smile because I have no idea what’s going on …..😀

The type of questions I'm referring to Fleurpepper, have been aggressive, leading, antagonistic. Not genuine requests for information. I don't want to go into more detail because it'll be a thread about a thread etc.

JaneJudge

I like all of you. I think everyone has valid points 🍺

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We can all do better

I like all of you. I think everyone has valid points 🍺

GagaJo

Throwing a strop when you don't get an answer in an anonymous online forum is ridiculous.

Getting nasty about it is bullying.

By all means disagree. I'm not bothered either way.

This thread has gone bonkers.

Surely it depends on the subject in question. If we are discussing a very important issue, which has massive repercussions on all or some of us- and someone makes sweeping statements which are clear nonsense or even lies- it is neither throwing a strop, nasty or bullying, to ask for evidence or official links.

Leave you to it.

Totally agree. Undignified. I couldn't agree more.

Joseanne

I just don't understand how 5 or 6 random posters who, on the first page, casually and harmlessly mentioned trisher's whereabouts on GN under a new name, can be held responsible for the thread's degeneration? Not only that, but that they do this frequently?

No, Joseanne, nor do I. But this sort of thing (false accusations, condescending lectures on kindness, snide comments) is why I am posting less these days. It’s so disingenuous and so tiresome.

GagaJo

Throwing a strop when you don't get an answer in an anonymous online forum is ridiculous.

Getting nasty about it is bullying.

By all means disagree. I'm not bothered either way.

Dismissing someone’s questions as ‘throwing a strop’ could also be perceived as bullying - it’s certainly further along that road than disagreeing with a point of view.

For someone who’s ‘not bothered’ you have certainly remembered for some time. I can’t remember the last trans thread I posted on, as this sort of gaslighting happens every time, and it’s undignified.

Joseanne

I just don't understand how 5 or 6 random posters who, on the first page, casually and harmlessly mentioned trisher's whereabouts on GN under a new name, can be held responsible for the thread's degeneration? Not only that, but that they do this frequently?

You’re not alone Joseanne, I’ve got no idea what this is all about now either.

I definitely do not have all the answers

I thought looking for them was the point in some discussions

Throwing a strop when you don't get an answer in an anonymous online forum is ridiculous.

Getting nasty about it is bullying.

By all means disagree. I'm not bothered either way.

There is room.for everyone's feelings

It's always possible that people are stating how they genuinely feel

It's up to the individual if they listen and moderate their own behaviour or would rather... whatever it is in the responses

I just don't understand how 5 or 6 random posters who, on the first page, casually and harmlessly mentioned trisher's whereabouts on GN under a new name, can be held responsible for the thread's degeneration? Not only that, but that they do this frequently?

Fleurpepper

Exactly Doodledog.

Asking for more detail or evidence is not bullying.

No, (and thanks ). According to some on this thread, arguing, disagreeing and asking for clarification all count as bullying. That is a very authoritarian outlook, isn’t it - ‘agree with me without question or else’.

One of the reasons I hated school so much was because there were people like that in positions of power. I prefer to answer when questioned, and to encourage argument and discussion. Obviously on here we are not in an educational environment, but I still like to learn from threads, and dislike being patronised, silenced by accusations of ‘bullying’ or ignored. Nobody learns that way.

Ironically, it is GagaJo who accuses those who disagree, argue and question of silencing trans allies, yet choosing not to answer difficult questions is self-silencing at its most obvious, and stopping discussion with accusations is a well-known tactic of those wanting to silence others.

Mollygo

Sorry VS I pressed post before I’d finished writing. People who use that sort of bullying don’t recognise that they’re doing it.

I don't understand how that is a form of bullying and I still don't

If you can explain it, I might be able to understand and change a behaviour you don't like

From my perspective, I'm explaining boundaries that others my not be aware of that can make discussion enjoyable and engaging for more people

Exactly Doodledog.

Asking for more detail or evidence is not bullying.

Asking questions,demanding answers and acting outraged when there aren't any.
I do that (so the dig wasn’t wasted ), but the flip side is that someone posts a lie or a bit of misinformation and then refuses to back it up by just ignoring requests for further information. I have never known an environment where that has been acceptable- and have never considered questioning a line of argument to be bullying. Don’t you encourage your pupils to question what they are told? I see it as the best way to learn, and to clear up misunderstandings.

Sorry VS I pressed post before I’d finished writing. People who use that sort of bullying don’t recognise that they’re doing it.

VioletSky

I do not understand what you mean Mollygo

Can you explain or give an example?

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Could be seen as virtue signalling, or honesty, don't understand bullying though

Depends on the person doing the assessment I think and whether they are open to change for the better

Mollygo

One of the most iniquitous forms of bullying, which goes on in school and elsewhere is pointing out, or listing all the good things you do with the implication that others are not as good as you, because they don’t mention that they do those things.

That sounds like we’re back to virtue signalling…..

I do not understand what you mean Mollygo

Can you explain or give an example?

One of the most iniquitous forms of bullying, which goes on in school and elsewhere is pointing out, or listing all the good things you do with the implication that others are not as good as you, because they don’t mention that they do those things.

It's awful that you have had that experience JaneJudge

I try to be fair and if I need to apologise I will but some people are quite nasty and personal to me on here and I am put off by posting if a collection of names are on the thread that I know will gang up on me and I'm not a particularly weak person but I don't really like confrontation either.
If you wanted my perspective, which you may not