Soup throwing again

Are you saying...?

The well used phrase of the GC movement...

No, that's not what I'm saying, although if a person was obsessed they could imagine that anything I said actually meant something else.

What I'm saying is this. Nothing else.

On this thread, there has been talk about how this poor 70 year old lady was pushed forward by the crowd and a rage-fuelled bloke punched her, out of nowhere. Whereas what actually happened was that she attacked a female and the bloke retaliated. He shouldn't have, but he did. But the picture being painted is one of unprovoked attack, and that's not what happened. It is propaganda. And I'm sure its not the only bit of inaccurate reporting that's gone on.

A couple of idiots turn up on the steps of the Concert Hall in Glasgow with objectionable signs and some MSPs are by chance pictured in front of them. Oh that's terrible is the call. They should resign.

Actual real Nazis repeatedly turn up at Posey's rallies and its nothing to do with her.

How do you square that other than by a prejudiced view of the MSPs?

Ooh, well done Galaxy!
V3 doesn’t think that you are a complete buffoon 👍

I have seen the threats with my own eyes volver. They are constant, all the time, sexualised, violent threats, usually accompanied by a sign with a noose or a guillotine. Again it's very difficult to take advice on reality or accurate reporting when males, violent males are described as women. For me it's like being advised on reality by people who believe the earth is flat. I am using this as a generalised description rather than aimed at individuals.

No Galaxy, you didn’t imagine any of those things. Supporters of TRA thugs, by those who don’t condemn them is a way of life for some.

I really cannot understand why any person intelligent or otherwise can/does describe a person with a penis a women just because they have changed their name to Dora along with putting on a dress and some lippy?

Who are they trying to fool? Those who know their biology or are they just placating Dora in the dress?

I dont think they should resign or should have resigned. Disclaimer other people may hold different views. I dont really like guilt by association, you know the whole oh my God she liked a tweet by whoever so let's sack her.

Galaxy

I have seen the threats with my own eyes volver. They are constant, all the time, sexualised, violent threats, usually accompanied by a sign with a noose or a guillotine. Again it's very difficult to take advice on reality or accurate reporting when males, violent males are described as women. For me it's like being advised on reality by people who believe the earth is flat. I am using this as a generalised description rather than aimed at individuals.

Yes. I saw them too.

But that's not what I'm talking about, is it?

I've seen a volcano once, but that's about as relevant to what I said as the things you are quoting it me.

I'll try again.

Why does Posey get to say that the Nazis are nothing to do with her, but trans supporters are deemed to be responsible for potentially violent people who turn up at their rallies?

I dont know I have said trans supporters ( a complex phrase in itself) are all responsible, I think those who are violent are responsible, I think those who say die terfs are responsible for that particular action, I think if posy was holding a sign saying die whoever she would be responsible for that. I think that it is pretty constant when women say hold on we cant have men in a space meant for women that they receive threats. Constantly.

Some people think trans people are a threat to society, that they are out to get our children.

(I won't mention yesterday's accusation again, but I will remember it for a long time...)

I was just looking for a pic of the banner at one of the Australian rallies, but I can't find it. It said something like "Die trans paedos".

There is a lot of complaining about how nasty all the trans allies are to the cis-women but not a lot of chat about Posey's promise to annihilate those who disagree with her, or how transpeople are victimised.

There's an awful lot of one-sided complaining in this argument from the GC, and no concern for the other side.

Whether you find it or not it's a horrific sign. There you go really easy to to do. I am not a cis woman so I guess that opts me out of the threats, if only.
I dont think trans people are a threat to society. I think getting rid of sex segregation is a threat to women. With regards to children I think it is becoming really clear, certainly in many European countries, that affirmation was a mistake and has caused damage.

So when it is proved that the incidences of violence at this event were not as easily described as TA activists attacking others the argument becomes that there are people at some events advocating violence.
There may well be.
But what is clearly shown in this case is that the stories being widely circulated by Poppy and her supporters are not the whole truth, are seriously edited and are meant to denigrate trans people. Those who claim to be gender critical are entitled to their views but they should look very carefully at who is manipulating them and that person's real intentions. And nothing about Poppy convinces me that she cares about women or their rights.

Do you think I'm a danger to children?

I was told yesterday I am a danger to children, asked how are they going to protect children from "people like me". Because I ssaid I didn't approve of the demonisation of drag queens.

This debate has got completely crazy.

Er no and have never said you were.
I loathe drag, too much of my youth spent listening to men in drag laughing at womens genitals. It's perfectly ok to have a discussion about drag and what it means for women. The last drag show I went to was deeply unpleasant about lesbians so I decided that was enough. I am sure all drag does not do that.

Galaxy

Er no and have never said you were.
I loathe drag, too much of my youth spent listening to men in drag laughing at womens genitals. It's perfectly ok to have a discussion about drag and what it means for women. The last drag show I went to was deeply unpleasant about lesbians so I decided that was enough. I am sure all drag does not do that.

Good.

But people who thing trans is the devils work think I'm a danger to children, apparently.

Paul O'Grady was a drag queen.

Now somebody will come along and say he wasn't like the queens they are objecting to, and with no irony at all will not understand that they indulging in textbook discrimination.

If he made jokes about the smell of female genitals I wouldnt be that fond of him either. It would be the sane kind if thing. Analysis of drag and its relationship to women is a relatively frequent discussion.

Same kind of thing even.

V3 Some people think trans people are a threat to society, that they are out to get our children.

Never heard the out to get our children bit

V3, I’ve never heard that it is necessarily trans who want to encourage children to change gender.
Tavistock was not staffed by trans was it? Parents of the boys at primary school, one of whom was whisked abroad for surgery as soon as his mother could manage it, the other who is now happily a teenage boy, weren’t themselves trans.

The only threat to society by trans-usually TIM are those of which you must have heard or read.

If you’ve ever read any posts on here V3, you must be aware that most if not all the posters who post
-against the violence of TRA thugs
-against the cheating in female competitions by some TIM
-and denial of female rights or invasion of female safe spaces by TIM,
don’t deny trans the right to dress or behave in the gender they have decided to adopt.

However, V3, I do deny that claiming to be a woman by self ID or even surgical or chemical castration makes TIM either female, or in their words cis women.

Galaxy

Whether you find it or not it's a horrific sign. There you go really easy to to do. I am not a cis woman so I guess that opts me out of the threats, if only.

Well put.

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/23/senator-lidia-thorpe-knocked-to-ground-in-struggle-with-police-anti-trans-rally-kellie-jay-keen-posie-parker-canberra-australia

Here is a link to the story of the senator who "was knocked down".

This happened in Australia, not New Zealand (two different countries last time I looked).
Lydia Thorpe was attempting to storm the rally in Canberra and was restrained by police. She ended up on the ground. The incident has been referred to the AFP's Professional Standards Command.

On the agenda of the so-called (by a couple of posters on here) Nazi, herself a politician, is:
banning gender reassignment surgery for children aged under 18
Which seems reasonable to me.

Well these last two posts are complete nonsense, aren't they?

Best tell The Guardian!
🤔

I’ve been away for a couple of days and not following the news, so I’m completely baffled by this thread. Is someone who’s said to be a Nazi complaining about children being referred for gender reassignment surgery? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

maddyone

I’ve been away for a couple of days and not following the news, so I’m completely baffled by this thread. Is someone who’s said to be a Nazi complaining about children being referred for gender reassignment surgery? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

It's about a Brtish woman (I think) who has gone to Australia and New Zealand to protest about trans-activism.

Trans activists have been active in protesting at her protests, one poured juice over her, another fractured an elderly woman's skull in New Zealand.
In Australia, a senator who tried to storm the protest got restrained and knocked to the ground by police.

Some posters vehemently support the trans activists, others think violence is never the answer.

Some think that children should not be offered gender re-assignment surgery until they are 18 but they are now called Nazis.

Any reports in The Guardian are nonsense.

There could be more, it is all rather fraught both there and on here.

Gosh, it sounds fraught indeed. Thank you Callistemon for the explanation. How quickly the world moves on when you’re not looking.

I don’t think children should be offered gender reassignment surgery before they’re eighteen. Does that make me a Nazi? I don’t think so myself. I have four grandchildren and if any of them showed signs of being transgender I hope that as a family we would address it in a sympathetic manner. It wouldn’t be my decision about surgery of course, but I really do feel eighteen is young enough for such life changing surgery. People have been known to change their minds, I’ve seen them interviewed.

I don't think it is just about surgery but puberty blockers too. I don;t think medically or psychologically we know enough about the long term actions of the tavistock clinic but what we know now should be enough ethically to address caution