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Rolf Harris is dead

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LadyHonoriaDedlock Tue 23-May-23 14:51:37

"Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred". Ironic really

Some would say "good", although at 93 he's had a good run. I'm a wee bit conflicted about Rolf. Yes, he was a bastard, so it turned out, and somehow I knew that for a long time. When they were all being rounded up in the aftermath of the Savile revelations I'm on record as saying "they'll be coming for Rolf Harris next". Jimmy Savile always gave me the creeps and I never cared at all for Gary Glitter but Rolf was an important part of my childhood, in an entirely innocent way. He was a sublimely talented children's entertainer and I know some say that you can't hear Sun Arise or Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport or Jake the Peg without them now being tainted by a whole new subtext but I can still enjoy singing them, including to children who don't know the truth.

(I love the music of Richard Wagner too and he was a completely nasty piece of work in so many ways. Antisemitism wasn't the half of it)

valdali Tue 23-May-23 18:45:45

eazybee

I agree with you , Lady Dedlock; I remember him as a talented artist and entertainer; my daughter said, like you, he was part of her childhood and I don't believe he came anywhere near Savile or G.Glitter as a paedophile.

Just this.

Wyllow3 Tue 23-May-23 18:44:45

Once I found out there was never going got be any point where I could separate his work and what he did. The very nature of his work brought continual proximity to children.

(There will be grey areas when one reviews the past, but Wagner is definitely not a one for me, he was rabidly anti semitic not just "of his time").

Sparklefizz Tue 23-May-23 18:42:56

There's another male entertainer at the moment who gives me the creeps and pushes the boundaries in plain sight. I won't name him, obviously, but my daughter and I both think he is odd.

FarNorth Tue 23-May-23 18:33:55

Ladyleftfieldlover

Not a league table as such, but Saville had offended for nearly fifty years, mainly in plain sight. A lot of people knew. Although why he managed to get so close to Charles, who knows. Harris though, does not seem to have been so rampant.

How would you know what he got away with ?

JaneJudge Tue 23-May-23 18:20:32

Oh look, here he is with Savile

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12116041/Final-photos-paedophile-TV-star-Rolf-Harris-Disgraced-entertainer-poses-wife.html

You don't have to act like anything to be cruel and evil, infact those that mask their real selves are often the most dangerous

LadyHonoriaDedlock Tue 23-May-23 18:06:44

And, of course, expensive lawyers @BlondieScot

Blondiescot Tue 23-May-23 17:52:27

LadyGaGa

It also makes me sad that after the event people in the industry would say things like - oh yes, I always knew he was creepy/touchy feely/liked little boys/ no one liked him etc. But because he was a ‘celeb’ no one took any action.

I don't know about Harris, but certainly in the case of Savile, people did raise their concerns about him to the powers-that-be and some even aired them very publicly, but nothing was done. He had friends in very high places, let's not forget.

LadyGaGa Tue 23-May-23 17:50:35

It also makes me sad that after the event people in the industry would say things like - oh yes, I always knew he was creepy/touchy feely/liked little boys/ no one liked him etc. But because he was a ‘celeb’ no one took any action.

Callistemon21 Tue 23-May-23 17:43:56

Well, I thought "Thank goodness, good riddance."
And yes, Shakespeare had the right saying for every situation, Septimia
As Shakespeare put it in Julius Caesar "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones".

Like others, I had no suspicions, unlike with creepy Saville and Paul Gadd.

So yes, I thought he was talented but everything is tainted now.

Beckett Tue 23-May-23 17:34:58

It is being reported he died two weeks ago and his funeral has already taken place. Rather than think about his shows and songs I prefer to think about the fact he used them to gain access to children. There is a special place in hell for people like him

Visgir1 Tue 23-May-23 17:23:39

Opps.. Posted before I checked it.. Sorry for grammar.

Visgir1 Tue 23-May-23 17:22:08

BlueBelle

I’m another who was so disappointed I liked the Rolf we saw I admired his artistic talents and I saw him in person at a music festival and he seemed such a personable guy but I certainly didn’t admire his other side and felt very disappointed in him

Gary Glitter Saville and others I didn’t like they all gave me the creeps Rolf Harris didn’t before I knew so I was very surprised and let down by him

I too was so disappointed about him

We meet him on a Plane once, my son who was about 7 years saw him in the que right behind us boarding the Plane, he used to watch Animal Hospital. He asked my son what happened to his front tooth (lost his baby teeth) totally charming.
On landing whilst waiting for the luggage, my son with my DH saw him, as it was taking ages. Harris drew his signature Kangaroo with his head on it and my sons Name on the Boarding pass. I missed all this as I was doing the loo run with my 3 year old daughter. I thought what a nice man. Little did we know!!
He kept that Boarding pass for years.
It went in the bin.

Riverwalk Tue 23-May-23 17:06:19

For the life of me I can't imagine why people are 'conflicted' about the death of RH.

He was certainly a popular and talented TV entertainer who was around for most of my life and I enjoyed his shows, but he was proven to be a persistent paedophile.

VioletSky Tue 23-May-23 16:55:48

I cannot with some of these comments

Grandma70s Tue 23-May-23 16:50:25

Blossoming

I agree LadyGaGa, there are no degrees of paedophilia. It’s vile.

It must be very hard for people born with paedophilic tendencies, but have a conscience so can never act on them. After all, sexual preferences aren’t a matter of choice.

Blossoming Tue 23-May-23 16:42:20

I agree LadyGaGa, there are no degrees of paedophilia. It’s vile.

Grandmagrewit Tue 23-May-23 16:41:19

I agree with Septimia - there are undoubtedly many people in the world of entertainment and the arts whose public profile and work we like (or have liked) but whose private life we would disagree with or hate. Like Septimia and her love of Wagner's music, I have a dilemma with Eric Gill's sculpture and paintings. Nowadays, however, it is less easy to hide illegal behaviour whereas, in the past, the exploits of Savile, Harris and Glitter were largely covered up - by the BBC, amongst others - who either didn't believe the victims or didn't want to lose their hugely popular entertainer. I have no particular fond memories of either Jim'll Fix It or the Rolf Harris TV shows but I'm sad that, 50 years on from my clubbing days, I can't just include "Rock and Roll" on my playlist without thinking about the connoitations.

HousePlantQueen Tue 23-May-23 16:40:32

I understand what you mean, LHD, I too always found Savile and Glitter repellent, and there are a couple of performers around at the moment who give me the same creepy revulsion, but Rolf Harris was a happy part of my childhood, and he was a talented artist. I am not excusing him, nor do I think there is a 'league table' of paedophiles, but I was sad when the truth came out about him.

HeavenLeigh Tue 23-May-23 16:37:13

Hoorah! Another one gone, no more to say

LadyGaGa Tue 23-May-23 16:36:09

Yes, he was part of my childhood and a part of my children’s with Animal Hospital. Would I ever hum his tunes? No. He was a paedophile - end of. I am very surprised by some of the comments about him being a paedophile at the bottom of the scale! What!? I agree with VS - his jobs were all to enable him to get near children.

Blossoming Tue 23-May-23 16:23:47

As a small child I found ‘Jake the Peg’ hilarious and I loved watching him do those enormous paintings.

When his criminal activities were discovered I actually felt let down in some way. Savile was creepy, Harris didn’t have the same vibe.

Theexwife Tue 23-May-23 16:22:31

eazybee

I agree with you , Lady Dedlock; I remember him as a talented artist and entertainer; my daughter said, like you, he was part of her childhood and I don't believe he came anywhere near Savile or G.Glitter as a paedophile.

What an odd thing to say, he came near to Savile and Glitter in that he was a paedophile, there are not good and bad ones.

MeowWow Tue 23-May-23 16:20:08

Good riddance. I hope he’s rotting in hell.

silverlining48 Tue 23-May-23 16:17:11

Rolf Harris could and probably was doing this fir 50 years too, paedophiles don’t just do these awful things once or twice, it’s lifelong.

LadyHonoriaDedlock Tue 23-May-23 16:10:03

Blondiescot

My immediate reaction was also good riddance. There's a special place in hell for paedophiles. And not as bad as Savile or Glitter? I didn't know there was a league table for paedophilia.

I meant that I could always see something not right about Savile and Gary Glitter but Rolf Harris was harder to read.