Sex education in UK schools but not as we knew it!

Caleo - I don’t understand your post, why it was aimed at VS. Additionally I find it rather provocative snd weird

VS, do you think the problem generally with heteros and homos is anal sex?
Lesbians are not as feared as homos.

Reported. nanna8, if you’d read the post by PiaBella you’d have realised it’s not genuine

You don't have to read the thread nanna.

I know it’s Christmas but do we really have to dredge up old posts from over 6 months ago ? I don’t want to discuss this sort of garbage just now.

You can get stuff of that quality a lot cheaper on Amazon, just saying

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Daily Mail is not a dependable source of information at all. I doubt that what is described in the article really took place.

We live in a rural community and many of the children are involved with the process of conception and birth as they watch it happen all around them. As my GS said when his little brother asked about sex: "It is just mating."

I have had the opportunity to see the material that is used for sex education in school and it is very clear - no holds barred - but placed in the context of family and social aspects. There are detailed diagrams and cartoon videos. Proper vocabulary is introduced for each age group, and issues around consent and the right to privacy are dealt with.

I had no problem with any of it. And the staff were well prepared for left-field questions. The fact that the material is delivered by known and trusted teachers is an important factor - I know some schools palm it off on a supply teacher and that simply is not good enough.

I think it is important to teach this at a young age. The younger they are, the more matter of fact they are about it, so the basic information is stored in their brains before the subject gets to feel embarrassing. Ignorance does not necessarily equate to innocence.

NannyJaneAnne I don’t agree with everything that is taught.
Parents can ask to see materials. Some schools publish on their website what will be taught. Some schools invite parents in to see what is being taught, though the take up by parents I’ve seen, has ranged from less than 25% to no more than 80% per year group.
You’re right about your GS learning without being taught how in school as well.
The difficulty is trying to teach that it’s not harmful, without saying what is not harmful.
The why teach it at young ages is another question.

I understand that sex Ed is now mandatory. The really worrying thing is that parents are not allowed to see the materials used. It's rife with all sorts of inappropriate content. I don't want my grandson to be taught how to masturbate. Everyone else learnt on their own, I am sure he will too.

Indeed. I wish I had a photo of my mother's face, though . My daughter was so matter of fact about it (and I never said that we were using the things, anyway)!

'Out of the mouths of babes' Doodledog .

I agree too, Dickens.

On the whole though, children ask age-appropriate questions, in my experience, and adults can answer in age-appropriate ways, when not being egged on by vested interests. Usually, children are happy with that.

Having said that, I remember my daughter, at about 3, asking what the condom machine was for in a queue for the Ladies in the theatre. I told her it was selling things for when people didn't want any more babies just now, and she was happy with that. A week or so later we were in Woolworths with my mum, who asked her if she would like a little brother or sister. She started to think about it, then said 'Oh, but you use those things you get out of machines, don't you Mummy? You know - the ones you get in the toilets.' My mother's face was a picture

Great post Dickens which I completely agree with.

Perfect sense dickens. I agree about the risks of sexualising children in pole dancing for example, which is evidently popular for children’s birthday parties. Well girls parties usually

Your post makes good sense Dickens.
Like Luckygirl13, parents and governors are invited to see how sex education is taught at our primary school. The best attended meetings are EYFS, Y3, Y5 and Y6.
Parents attending those meetings (some of whom are governors), don’t hold back about asking the What will you say if they ask about . . . questions, suggesting possibly that that is what they are experiencing at home.
Our RSE curriculum, covering what is taught in each year, is available to read on the school website, together with useful links for parents and children from a variety of sources and also a book list, in response to parent requests.
Dickens your paragraph starting Regarding the innocence of childhood... I reflects what is happening more ad does well to highlight the ease with which society appears to accept that loss (or exploitation) of innocence

Luckygirl3

I am Chair of governors at a primary school and have asked that all the governors attend a session with the teachers on how sex education is approached in the school, as I think we need to be totally on top of this can of worms.

I shudder to see the loss of innocence involved in all this - childhood is such a precious time. I say this as someone whose children knew the facts of sex from the age of 3 or 4. No loss of innocence there - just factual information in the context of loving relationships.

The aspect of all this that I find seriously terrifying is that people are afraid to state scientific facts. That our minds are being controlled and manipulated to toe the "party line" for fear of being shamed and vilified. My goodness is that a terrifying road to be going down.

Such good thoughtful comments Luckygirl3.

I shudder to see the loss of innocence involved in all this - childhood is such a precious time. I say this as someone whose children knew the facts of sex from the age of 3 or 4. No loss of innocence there - just factual information in the context of loving relationships.

I know that there has been some contempt towards those who talk about the 'innocence of childhood', the implication being that children are curious and need to be given factual information about the world around them. Whilst that's obviously true, I believe that there's only so much information that a very young mind can absorb - and equally important - make sense of. So we have to tailor the information in order to not overload a child's mind with ideas and concepts it can't process. With your own children, that might not be too difficult, but could be a problem - in general.

There's the facts involved in sex education, and I'm sure young children can grasp those in an elementary way, but the cultural and emotional aspects are more complex, and I think that's where the 'danger' lies.

Regarding the innocence of childhood... I could be quite wrong here (and I'm sure those who disagree with me can make a good argument) but - when I see (for example) a very young girl auditioning for a talent contest (eg X Factor) singing an adult song about "love" - bumping and grinding, mimicking the provocative movements of an adult female, it makes me shudder. I feel that they have been 'sexualised' and that their innocence has been exploited. It also happens with young boys who sometimes perform like 'the tough guy in the 'hood... if you see what I mean. Of course, this is not quite the same thing as sex education, but I mention it to highlight the ease with which society appears to accept that loss (or exploitation) of innocence. A pre-pubescent child does not surely understand the complexities of adult emotions and behavour?

I'm prepared to accept that my view is old-fashioned and possibly out of sync with the modern world. After all, children are great mimics and are fascinated with the 'grown-up' world. They want to try mum's make-up (both girls and boys - my son was keen to accentuate his eyebrows to 'Spock' like proportions) and prance and clop around in their clothes and shoes. I think that's perfectly normal and natural. But I am worried about them being over-burdened with information, ideas and concepts that their developing brains can't fathom.

I don't know if this is making sense?

They do. They are given the information and there is a session in my school where parents can come to find out what will be taught. But as I say there is the problem of follow-on questions.

Do parents still have to sign consent forms before their child is included in the "sex education" (or is it "gender education"?) classes now?

I think the problem for teachers is when children ask follow-on questions and teachers need to be prepared for this. Children hear the news and other programmes and it is hard to know what questions might be thrown up. I do not envy them this challenging task.

Well said and well done, Luckygirl

Is it how the curriculum is interpreted - if so, this needs to be clarified at the highest level?

Too much graphic information at too young an age can cause confusion and distress, I know from experience.

I hope that all primary schools do the same Luckygirl. Who'd have thought that people would ever be afraid to state scientific fact and feel safer propagating lies.

I am Chair of governors at a primary school and have asked that all the governors attend a session with the teachers on how sex education is approached in the school, as I think we need to be totally on top of this can of worms.

I shudder to see the loss of innocence involved in all this - childhood is such a precious time. I say this as someone whose children knew the facts of sex from the age of 3 or 4. No loss of innocence there - just factual information in the context of loving relationships.

The aspect of all this that I find seriously terrifying is that people are afraid to state scientific facts. That our minds are being controlled and manipulated to toe the "party line" for fear of being shamed and vilified. My goodness is that a terrifying road to be going down.