Drag Queens

While people are excusing things as ‘inclusive’ and ‘diversity’ there will continue to be more of these instances.
As VS says children are most at risk of sexual abuse within their own families. And that's the first place children should be protected
That should not be used as a reason to justify and not to protect children from males displaying their sexual fetiches to children in public

That’s appalling, but not so surprising really.

I hate pedophiles with a passion. If there was a button to make every single one of them have a slow agonizing death, I'd push it

1 in 20 people experience some sort of sexual abuse as a child. It's a terrifying disgusting statistic, it really is.

But one thing I will never do is hold up a pedophile and use them to provoke fear or hatred to any group and they exist in every group, male and female.

Any person working with children should be subject to DBS and even then no record means deemed safe.

But trying to claim any group as sexual predators is wrong on so many levels

The truth is children are most at risk of sexual abuse within their own families. And that's the first place children should be protected

Good grief Beverly JB that's horrendous. I've heard of similar instances but none quite as bad as that. Hiding in plain sight.

BeverleyJB

Men displaying their sexual fetiches to children in public - such a vulnerable and marginalised group.

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That's very worrying.

VioletSky

Try to remember that many drag queens are gay men. LGBTQ people have often stood against gender norms and have fought alongside women for equality

www.lgbtqandall.com/what-is-a-drag-queen/

What has that got to do with males parodying females to young children?
Does it matter whether they’re gay or not? We have gay teachers in school, but they don’t parody the opposite sex when they’re in school. Those I know, don’t parody the opposite sex out of school either.
Perhaps those you know act differently, but it doesn’t make the behaviour of those mentioned in the OP any more acceptable.
For those supporting the drag actions mentioned as being ‘acceptable as inclusive’, where does your ‘inclusive’ stop.
Would you consider naturists demonstrating their ‘diversity’ suitable for story reading to primary children,
or males in mankinis, or females in thong bikinis showing off their body parts, all claiming to promote diversity by reading stories to young children.

If teachers or TAs at your school VS, or at any other primary school that Gransnetters know of, appeared in overtly sexual clothing like that, would the head welcome them as celebrating inclusivity or diversity?

Men displaying their sexual fetiches to children in public - such a vulnerable and marginalised group.

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But is story time at a library encouraging children to read? It is what it is 'story time' where someone else reads a book to the children. Some children who hate reading with a reading scheme will love story time because it allows them to listen to a story for enjoyment and relaxation. What argument would be put forward if the dame from a panto came in to read to children? Is this also not the portrayal of a domineering older woman, usually a mother, by a man dressed in a larger than life costume showing his stripy bloomers and hitching up his boobs as he addresses an audience comprising whole families? Where does the argument stop?
I think the idea of storytime in libraries is to get children interested in books - maybe if they are from families where reading isn't particularly encouraged they might be encouraged to try it. It will also familiarise them with libraries, which may also be strange to them.

I can't answer about the pantomime dame. I've never heard of one coming into a library or school. If it happened, I suppose it would be to encourage children to attend a panto - but it's not likely, as in pantomime season the actors would be onstage twice a day.

Is it not our job as adults to explain to children exactly what is going on and also asking what dress the 'reader' will appear in and which text they will be reading to the children? The senior librarian or English Co-Ordinator at a primary school should be doing their job by putting in front of children people and books that promote positive role models and events.
Yes, I think so, but I guess this is happening because councils and LEAs are in the thrall of Stonewall, who will sell the idea as being inclusive and positive. If the council/LEA wants to get (or hang onto) Diversity Champion status this sort of thing will probably help with that, too.

Galaxy

People in marginalised groups are actually people, with all the flaws and qualities that come with being human.

Yes I know, it's depressing and not logical

People in marginalised groups are actually people, with all the flaws and qualities that come with being human.

I have been trying to think of a female portrayal of the kind of parody that drag queens provide. The only one I have come up with is the crass lechers in the French and Saunders sketches.

Don’t you ever get chilly up in the moral high ground

It's not logical really, it always depresses me when any marginalised group does not support another

But thankfully that's not been my experience in friendship groups and I haven't had to fall out with anyone over it

As I said in my experience it would be a hell of a specific range of statistics.
I cant imagine anyone has ever looked into it but I may be wrong.

I didn't say that none are sexist at any point

I'm just disputing equal measure or 50/50

What basis is there for that statistic?

It's like saying men with ginger hair arent sexist in my view, some are some arent.

How can a majority of gay men doing drag be homophobic?

There are straight drag queens but very few

Equal measures?

This surprises me, I've never had that experience

Galaxy

Try to remember that many gay men dislike drag as well.

Try to remember that many gay men dislike drag as well.

Exactly.

And it would do well 'to remember' that drag queens are people who live in our society and can also be racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and transphobic.

Gay men are men they are in my experience sexist and not sexist in equal measures.

Galaxy

Try to remember that many gay men dislike drag as well.

Sure

Some gay men love broccoli and some don't

But that's not the point

Gay men aren't generally sexist against women and they certainly aren't sexualising children unless we've gone back to the 80s

Try to remember that many gay men dislike drag as well.

Doodledog

eazybee

This is what it is about.
The idea behind having drag queens read to children in libraries and schools is to promote inclusivity and celebrate diversity in a fun and engaging way. Drag queens are performers who use clothing, makeup, and style to express themselves creatively, and their presence can help challenge traditional gender norms and encourage acceptance. It's not about "conditions" or specific identities, but about teaching kids that everyone should be respected and embraced for who they are.

Very little to do with encouraging children to read.

Yes, it is clear that there is an ulterior motive behind all this. It is not about encouraging reading, and it would be better if the people behind the concept were honest about what their motives actually are. The problem, as we have seen, is that not everyone agrees that drag 'challenges gender norms' at all - some (including me) feel that it reinforces them, but it doesn't seem that this is open to discussion.

But is story time at a library encouraging children to read? It is what it is 'story time' where someone else reads a book to the children. Some children who hate reading with a reading scheme will love story time because it allows them to listen to a story for enjoyment and relaxation. What argument would be put forward if the dame from a panto came in to read to children? Is this also not the portrayal of a domineering older woman, usually a mother, by a man dressed in a larger than life costume showing his stripy bloomers and hitching up his boobs as he addresses an audience comprising whole families? Where does the argument stop? Is it not our job as adults to explain to children exactly what is going on and also asking what dress the 'reader' will appear in and which text they will be reading to the children? The senior librarian or English Co-Ordinator at a primary school should be doing their job by putting in front of children people and books that promote positive role models and events.

Try to remember that many drag queens are gay men. LGBTQ people have often stood against gender norms and have fought alongside women for equality

www.lgbtqandall.com/what-is-a-drag-queen/

VioletSky

Drag is performance or art

Trans is gender identity

They are not the same thing

Drag is performance or art

For some drag artists, it's a little bit more than that. It is a movement challenging accepted norms. Some have been quite outspoken about it.

And, in that respect, it is connected to gender identity.

And the narrative is conducted and controlled - by men.