Drag Queens

Smileless2012

When you share personal information VS it is shared and you cannot monitor when, where, why and by whom it can be referred too.

If it is a problem, best not to share to begin with.

Well yes. And when someone is always using personal information in mitigation against something or other, it is hardly surprising that it gets mentioned, correctly or otherwise. If I am mistaken about VS being Dyslexic, I apologise, but I thought she had said she was. It's hardly an insult, is it?

Anyway, we were discussing drag, not VS . I disagree that drag is a challenge to patriarchy - IMO it is quite the reverse, in fact. Just because something is in the Guardian doesn't make it true - particularly when it is about 'gender' issues.

Staceyann

Not judging anyone - just remarking that when I was much younger, working full time, with young children, I wouldn’t have gravitated towards a forum such as this….,

Ok, thank you for letting me know

I'd never have judged you as a mum for how you choose to wind down. Especially, if like me right now, your children were all engaged elsewhere, especially the adult children

If I were sat reading a book instead of a forum thread, no one would ever say anything negative. Strange old world really

Well I'd never have guessed Blondiescot; stunning.

Oh it's happened to me before VS.

As you say Molly "Once it's out there, it's out there. So .....".

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The problem with putting anything on the internet, is that it is available for all who read it, to recall or remember when subjects recur, whether that suits the originator or not.
That’s why we teach children not to put anything on the internet that they don’t want others to know about them or to use in a way that they may not like or did not mean.
Once it’s out there, it’s out there. So . . .

Not judging anyone - just remarking that when I was much younger, working full time, with young children, I wouldn’t have gravitated towards a forum such as this….,

Mollygo

Blondiescot

Sorry Blondiescot I can’t find any evidence of ‘drag’ where males don’t dress as a parody of women.
How is this a 'parody' of a woman?

How is that drag as opposed to TW?

It is. It's well-known drag queen Courtney Act.

Smileless2012

When you share personal information VS it is shared and you cannot monitor when, where, why and by whom it can be referred too.

If it is a problem, best not to share to begin with.

I do not believe you would be happy for me to share your personal info across threads

And I wouldn't do it anyway because it is unnecessary, personal and obviously gransnet agreed because there is a comment missing from this very thread

Smileless2012

I would say that the photo you shared is of a TW Blondiescot not a drag queen as being discussed here, and a very attractive TW at that.

It's not, actually. It's a very well known drag queen, Courtney Act. I'm not saying that some drag queens may not fall into the 'parody' context, but as I pointed out - there's a very wide spectrum when it comes to drag artists. You can't tar them all with the same brush.

I would say that the photo you shared is of a TW Blondiescot not a drag queen as being discussed here, and a very attractive TW at that.

FannyCornforth

I’ve just seen the bloke in a furrie suit. Despicable of the Library / Council/ everyone involved.

I also apologise for any upset that I have accidentally caused Doodledog and VS

I'm not upset - have I missed something?

When you share personal information VS it is shared and you cannot monitor when, where, why and by whom it can be referred too.

If it is a problem, best not to share to begin with.

I posted before I saw the other photos.

My God.

Or, so as not to cause offence,

Ye Gods.

This is my personal information, it belongs to me to share with others

Being a TA has no relevance

I'm not organising drag story time

It's not happening in schools as far as I am aware, parents are taking their children by their own choice

We don't teach anything about drag or LGBTQ in KS1

I will always follow my training. Children are always taught in such a way as to remain open minded and principled, of course British values of Individual Liberty, Tolerance and Respect are taught but that's the curriculum. I don't know what people think is happening in schools or why I would have any say over it anyway or any control over what happens elsewhere...

well it's personal opinion isn't it and I don't think that drag is an exploration of gender especially with the more outrageous drag queens.

Blondiescot

*Sorry Blondiescot I can’t find any evidence of ‘drag’ where males don’t dress as a parody of women.*
How is this a 'parody' of a woman?

How is that drag as opposed to TW?

A feminist view of drag. Which also mentions black-face.

I know the OP is about drag queens reading stories to children - but drag culture itself is inevitably being examined.

I imagine that the defense of drag would include arguments that say this performance of femininity is so exaggerated that it doesn’t mock women so much as it mocks a cartoonish version of extreme femininity, but I’m unconvinced that turning women into extreme, cartoonish charicatures that are to be mocked is particularly progressive — rather, it feels regressive to me. There must be a reason women don’t do this to men — turning masculinity into entertainment or a joke, that is.

www.feministcurrent.com/2014/04/25/why-has-drag-escaped-critique-from-feminists-and-the-lgbtq-community/

Perhaps some thought you'd give an opinion as someone involved in the teaching of, and no doubt reader of stories to children VS; why so defensive?

Personal information one chooses to make public on GN is there for anyone who reads it, and I'm not aware that if it's thought to be relevant to a thread or threads where it isn't actually mentioned, that it's against guidelines to refer to it.

I'm sure GNHQ will correct me if I'm wrong but there certainly doesn't appear to be an issue when a thread previously started by a poster, is not only referred too but a link too is provided, when they start or comment on another thread.

I've seen this happen.

Heaven knows eazybee! If you have a look at the photo I attached at 16.47 today, top left corner, you'll see something equally inappropriate for anyone to be wearing in a public place, let alone in a school or library with young children. And I have no idea why some people are completely comfortable with it either.

I screenshot this from the guardian article posted on the thread as I think we need to be careful we aren't being unfair with this one

Thank you Beetlejuice.
I wonder what sort of person thinks this costume, bare buttocks and all, was appropriate, and why?

Smileless2012

No you're a TA VS so involved in the education of children which you often mention.

You'd think so wouldn't you eazybee but it appears not in this case.

I'm sure you're right in that we'd have more sense Molly but it's an interesting thought isn't it.

So? What relevance does that have to anything on this thread?

No you're a TA VS so involved in the education of children which you often mention.

You'd think so wouldn't you eazybee but it appears not in this case.

I'm sure you're right in that we'd have more sense Molly but it's an interesting thought isn't it.

If these men are interested in getting young children interested in books why can’t they just turn up in casual every day clothes to read to the children?

Why the need to drag up ?

Have they all been DBS checked/approved?

Is that person doing story hour to small children Blondiescot?
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