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Should I just scatter the ashes anyway?

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Witzend Sun 09-Jul-23 08:31:35

My mother’s ashes have been here since she died at 97 in 2015 - my father died long before and until recently my brother had kept his ashes, but a few months ago he brought them here.

One other sibling lives in the US and doesn’t mind what we do with them. Nor does the one who’s kept DF’s for ages.

The other (who lives a long drive away and is unlikely to travel far for the foreseeable because her dh is frail) has never been able to agree on Where, and the suggestions she has made are simply not practical.

I’ve got a good mind to go and scatter them together, in a nearby woodland garden that is never likely to be built on, since it’s within a Royal Park.

Strictly not allowed, I know, but if I go late evening nobody’s likely to see anyway, and I’d find somewhere in the midst of dense shrubbery (of which there is masses) not just anywhere.

It’s surely time?? I’m fed up with asking eldest sibling what she thinks, only to end up (again) with no practical suggestion.

We’re all aged 69 to 79 so if we don’t do something soon…

jocork Mon 10-Jul-23 17:11:38

My father worked in the treasurers department at our local borough council. He was there when the crematorium was built and was told at that time that they kept the bodies for cremation until there was a full load for the furnace so you wouldn't get your own loved one's ashes but a mixture of a few people. I get the impression that may be different now - I'm not an expert - but, knowing what he told us, when my dad died in 1975 we didn't take his ashes, they were scattered in the garden of remembrance. When my mum died in 2011 we asked for hers to be scattered in the same place. They asked when he'd died and said he would be in the summer garden, so although mum died in the winter she was scattered in the summer garden too.
I know my DD was unsure about cremation as opposed to burial, and never knew her granddad, but knowing their ashes were going to the same place seemed to make her feel better about it. Personally I don't feel any particular attachment to ashes and don't really care where mine end up. The essential me will be in another place!

knspol Mon 10-Jul-23 17:03:36

Witzend, I think what you're suggesting is exactly what you should do and disregard the naysayers.
I have my DH's ashes at home and have told DS that when I go I want our ashes to go together either scattered or buried. I prefer the idea of scattering as it avoids the element of a place to go to leave tributes etc which after a while can get neglected.
DS has been to an ashes scattering and said it descended into an almost comical situation so he's not too keen on that.

Mallin Mon 10-Jul-23 16:51:48

I’ve paid for my body to be collected and cremated and my ashes to be put in the crematoriums garden of remembrance.
I feel that my being dead will be easier for my children and descendants to accept at the time, if they are not lumbered with having to dispose of what remains of my dead body

Bijou Mon 10-Jul-23 16:40:48

I have heard that some undertakers don’t bother to separate different peoples ashes anyway.

Milest0ne Mon 10-Jul-23 16:37:27

My mother wrote in her will that she wanted her ashes put in her parents grave. By the time we had a copy of the will we had scattered her ashes in a place she enjoyed going to. Too late to do anything about it.

coastalgran Mon 10-Jul-23 16:29:33

You are probably not alone in this decision, be discreet and do what you think is right. I had a friend who was about to get engaged to the local vicar after he was widowed, unfortunately he had never managed to get his sons together and find time to scatter his wife's ashes. Needless to say there was no engagement until the job was completed. Get things finished and move on in life.

POW1 Mon 10-Jul-23 16:09:02

We had a similar problem with my mum’s ashes. Originally my DS had them while worked out what to do with them. Then she died suddenly, so now they’re with her daughter. They have more meaning to some people than others. If no one else has any wishes for them, I would choose what to do with them yourself.

Annierob Mon 10-Jul-23 15:55:40

Do what feels right for you. Ignore any negative comments on here.

Meaux Mon 10-Jul-23 15:44:13

My sister had my mum and dad’s ashes and we agreed that they should be interred together because they had been married for 68 years and were very much in love. She asked for permission to lift a piece of turf up on another family member’s grave and, this was agreed for a small fee. She and her husband removed some turf and tipped the ashes in side by side. They then returned the turf and watered the grass to bed it back down. Now whenever she goes to lay flowers on the grave, she lays two roses on the place where the turf was lifted.

Alison333 Mon 10-Jul-23 15:41:29

Witzend, you should do what you want to.

Can I please echo the advice about make sure the wind is at your back, having had an interesting experience on a boat with ashes, the sea and a strong wind!

GrauntyHelen Mon 10-Jul-23 15:37:44

Two pieces of advice fro someone "in the trade" Tell your siblings you are going to do it before you do Wear disposable gloves to scatter the ashes and make sure the wind is at your back

Jef11 Mon 10-Jul-23 15:22:53

The charity scattering ashes states that royal parks simply "prefer that you don't", they can't ban it though because it's impossible to police.

The woodland trust offer advice as to how to scatter ashes, and it looks simple and straightforward as the OP implied they wanted to do.

Most historic and cultural sites agree that it's ok, but spread thinly, privately and bring considerate of flowers etc.

OP, I'd say your peace of mind is really important, and most sites are accepting of the fact it happens and simply ask you to be thoughtful, which you said you would be doing.

Hope it marks the end of a frustrating time for you

Scotgirlnick Mon 10-Jul-23 15:20:54

I used to volunteer to garden in a public park. It was a lovely place and a favourite with older folk who could come and sit. Shrubs and bushes and plants of all types. So it was also a favourite place to quietly tip out your relatives ashes. Most unpleasant when gardening to find a pile of ash! It was not allowed. Crematoria have rose gardens but they stopped scattering ashes there due to the bad effect on the plants. You can now have a cremation with no service and the grounds people will dispose of the ashes. Perhaps we should be thinking more carefully about the disposal of our bodies in terms of the environment. I want a natural burial or composting.

undines Mon 10-Jul-23 15:11:08

I can't see that one lot of ashes will matter. We ALL pollute all over the place. My ex husband's ashes blew into my mouth - so what? I would get on with what makes you feel best and good luck to you

Frosty60 Mon 10-Jul-23 15:05:30

My parents ashes are in our local churchyard, a plot we had allocated 50 years ago when my father passed away. It’s where he wanted to be and there was a place in the same plot when she passed away in 2008. I am able to put flowers there for birthdays, anniversary’s, Easter and Christmas or any other time.

Nellietheelephant Mon 10-Jul-23 15:04:13

My partner's ashes were put into a metal container and given to my step-daughter (he died in France). Not having decided what to do with them, she put "him" on the sitting-room mantle shelf for the time being. Some time later, her house was burgled and we found the empty container in the middle of the carpet. No ashes to be found anywhere. We decided the thieves must have thought the contents were something valuable (or illegal) and taken them with them! Whether my partner would have found it funny or been very upset, we couldn't decide.

Authoress Mon 10-Jul-23 15:03:37

My Mum and Dad are both in my sister's and my gardens, doing the roses a world of good. A bit of my Dad is on Sheffield Wednesday football pitch, my brother snuck up with a matchbox full of ashes.

Bea0802 Mon 10-Jul-23 15:02:39

My cousin bought a potted rose and put her ashes in the pot. She said if she moves he'll come with her. Might be nice to do a matching pair?

Mandiemoo Mon 10-Jul-23 14:56:58

What about something different? This link gives lots of other options of what to do with ashes.
www.purecremation.co.uk/blog/what-to-do-with-ashes

Vintagegirl Mon 10-Jul-23 14:55:47

My father requested to be buried with his mother. But he died at a time of a long midwinter freeze up and that grave was at other end of UK. So he was cremated and the ashes in nice oak mini casket were placed with his mother 6 mths later and when family members from distant shores could gather. My mother surprised us all with a request to be put into the sea. This was done with the aid of a cardboard 'cushion' with the ashes enclosed in biodegradable bad inside. We booked a local ferryman to take us to the requested beach and so it was done. Again even with covid a decent amount of farflung family members were able to gather. My brother requested he go into the sea also but his widow has put the empty urn in a local graveyard with a small inscribed stone marker over it.

maddyone Mon 10-Jul-23 14:54:01

I didn’t say but will add, go ahead Witzend and scatter the ashes wherever you think appropriate.

MayBee70 Mon 10-Jul-23 14:53:01

When my MIL died my ex wanted to scatter her ashes at a nearby country park. I was horrified at the thought of them being scattered all over the place (we used to take the children there all the time) but the vicar agreed to the casket being buried in the estate churchyard. My FIL’s ashes were then buried with hers. But it’s always bothered me because it isn’t a place that I associate with them. They were Brummies born and bred, through and through, and imo they should be in Brum where they belong. When my mum died it was really important to me that her casket was put into the family grave: my dad’s ashes were scattered above it as I didn’t have permission to put them in the grave ( although they nearly ended up in the car park as the person officiating at it had her dog with her and he knocked the casket over: thankfully it was sealed). Mum was with her mum and her sister. It was actually a second hand grave and it turned out that many people were in the same grave, but it did, at least, have our family name on it.

Nonnadiana Mon 10-Jul-23 14:49:54

My three siblings and I scattered my dads ashes in the sea at a favourite beach we used to visit as a family in childhood and also buried some at his mothers grave. It was a time for us to come together as a family and think of him

maddyone Mon 10-Jul-23 14:44:25

My mother asked me to scatter her ashes and dad’s ashes together at a special place near the village where she was brought up. My sister has mental health issues which make her very nasty and difficult and as usual her behaviour was so awful and upsetting after mum died that I couldn’t face speaking to her again to arrange the scattering. I had already told her what my mother has requested. I was very upset about the whole thing and her behaviour and didn’t know what to do. My lovely daughter in law came up with the solution. She suggested spitting the ashes and we both scattered them separately. It wasn’t really what I wanted but I couldn’t face anymore of the nastiness and so decided that was the best thing to do. We went to do it and my very much loved niece came with us. She was close to her Nana and were very close too. Sadly she has very little to do with her mother due to the troubles and trauma her mother creates. The next day my husband took the other halves to my sister and she was incredibly rude and nasty to him and as usual came out with all kinds of accusations and lies. She is very unbalanced.
Apparently she went a few weeks later and scattered the rest of the ashes in the correct place.
I know my mother would have loved my sister and I to be reconciled but I bent over backwards to help her and involve her including hosting her twice during the period of mum’s death and funeral. I have been rewarded with unfounded allegations of trying to keep her having her share of the small inheritance and of stealing things from her even though I took her to mum’s flat and invited her to take anything she wanted. She said only certain items of crockery and my husband and I duly packed them and delivered them to her when we were next in the area where she lives, some 240 miles from where I live. I’m not in any way attempting to prevent her from getting her share of the inheritance, it’s in the hands of a solicitor so how could I?

Lathyrus Mon 10-Jul-23 14:42:22

It is one of the forms of “burial” that I saw in Tibet witzend except they chopped the bodies into a number of sacred pieces first. I was quite horrified to begin with but made my peace with their Buddhist belief in giving life to life.