What is a lesbian?

I support humans. Be they refugees or whatever.

VS I am just here to defend a vulnerable minority

I’m also here to defend vulnerable people. People made vulnerable by the actions of some TW and all TRA and their supporters, like those determined to go into places where they have been expressly asked not to go, as mentioned in the OP.

VS And incidentally defend myself, my morals and my values apparently.
You don't have to defend anything VS.
Your morals and values are exactly how you portray them and I don’t question them.

VS If assigning thoughts to me that just aren't there . . .

I don’t assign anything to you that you don’t say or can’t answer. You don’t answer questions that cause you problems.

If assigning thoughts to me that just aren't there helps you justify the way you speak to me VS then go for it.

Doodledog
As I see it, linking the trans cause with that of LGB people discredits the original group, which has made significant progress against those who discriminated against them.

There are so many posts from LGB people and others saying exactly that.
Also pointing out the harm that has been done to them by the actions of the TW and TRA who make the headlines by their violent behaviour, and outpourings like males such as IW.

Oh, and I see the 'divide and conquer' thing rather differently, (as a biological realist feminist who also has left wing leanings, if those credentials add to the strength of my argument ).

As I see it, linking the trans cause with that of LGB people discredits the original group, which has made significant progress against those who discriminated against them. That progress will, of course, have annoyed those who do not approve of gay marriage and the rights of people such as lesbians to hold events without men being included. I see the TRA cause as deeply patriarchal, and this is yet another example of how that works. If the LGB Alliance is a casualty of the enforced alliance between LGB and TQIA++, well, the patriarchy won't care - they never supported gay men and lesbians anyway, and collateral damage is just that.

Goodness, you do like pick on every little thing I say .

VS said that she didn't want to follow someone who doesn't support refugees, and asked for context about IW. Which I provided. Is all.

I just wonder why looking at what IW has to say involves anyone looking for a soulmate. Personally I like to read other people's opinions about things. Much of what they say I disagree with. I am after all an intersectional feminist with huge left wing leanings. Sometimes though they will provide me with insightful or interesting information I thought the statement about the right wing policy of divide and rule was interesting. It seems obvious really , pick off the deviants (that's their judgement) one group at a time.

I would take anything IW says with a huge pinch of salt. As I said, it is all about keeping India's flagging career afloat. As well as thinking that the LGB Alliance is a hate organisation (🙄), India's views include the notion that transwomen are more 'female' than either lesbians or, bizarrely, black women.

A lot of the CBB in which IW featured is on YouTube. It is obvious why India was first out, and nobody can claim that this was because of transphobia, as the series was won by a drag queen, who outshone India in intelligence, wit and basic decency.

Here is a couple of minutes of India in action. For context, Amanda Barrie, a lesbian who was then 82, had accidentally misgendered India, saying that 'he' hadn't had a cough that was going round.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsJxpvGzo3E

I am just here to defend a vulnerable minority

And incidentally defend myself, my morals and my values apparently

If assigning thoughts to me that just aren't there helps you justify the way you speak to me Mollygo then go for it

It won't change what I know about myself, it doesn't really have an impact at all. Save my emotions for real world issues

Doodledog

VioletSky

Rosie51 is there anything with a bit more context

I support refugees and don't want to follow someone who doesn't

Do you support self-ID? IW doesn't.

Do you support lesbians? IW doesn't.

Women - nope.

Actually, the chances are that you'll struggle to find much common ground with IW, so if you are looking for a soulmate you might want to look elsewhere. It was Glorianny who brought her not this discussion as someone to be listened to, though, not any of the biological realists on the thread.

Actually she was just one of a number of people who thought LGB Alliance was a hate organisation Rosie51 chose to focus on her so I did a little investigation.
I suspect she's a bit of a performer after all she used to be on Loose Women.

Mollygo

That’s OK VS, no problem.
As I said before,
I only respect truthful, non-evasive answers to questions like, Can people change sex?
or
(Regardless of the deviation into whether some Lesbians want an heterosexual relationship.)
Since lesbians are AHF who prefer relationships with females, should they be obliged to accept males at events where males have been requested not to attend.

Think whatever you want Mollygo

It doesn't matter to me

Others are worth my time

VioletSky

Ok

Thank you for your admission, VS. It explains your support of males in female spaces like the one mentioned in the OP

Galaxy

There is another transwoman whose name I always forget namsnanny, holds similar views to Debbie Hayton but very funny as well. Name begins with B I think. The name will come to me.

I hope you do remember :-) I've tried to google but nothing comes up.

Diane Abbott? Although to be fair she thought it was dark satire.

It definitely wasn't a joke and wouldn't be funny in any event. Who makes jokes about people drowning, nobody I'd care to know!

I don't disbelieve you

I just can't comprehend the stupidity and hoped it was a joke

VioletSky

Rosie51 is there anything with a bit more context

I support refugees and don't want to follow someone who doesn't

I'd have thought it's pretty obvious. The clip is about migrants and France wanting £30 million to police and stop the rubber dinghies the migrants use to cross the channel. India's solution was "I'd go down the Trump route, a nice spiky fence somewhere down the channel, very rubber dinghy unfriendly " I don't think any other interpretation than an intention to puncture and sink the dinghies can be inferred.
India also tweets quite often "if blackwomen, all one word, are women then so are transwomen" It's a racist trope used by a lot of TRAs. Unfortunately I can't link to those tweets as I'm blocked, as is every person who has ever disagreed with India whether directly or indirectly!

Ok

VS tells me she has answered my questions.

I asked VS

Do you believe anyone can change sex?

VS replied:
I believe that it is possible to legally change gender because it is.

Is it just me or is that an evasive answer?

I’ve never said it’s impossible to change gender so I didn’t ask that.
I’m simply pointing out that in the OP, the Lesbians are AHF and therefore, unless you can change sex, males cannot be AHF and VS seems unable to answer that question.

VioletSky

Rosie51 is there anything with a bit more context

I support refugees and don't want to follow someone who doesn't

Do you support self-ID? IW doesn't.

Do you support lesbians? IW doesn't.

Women - nope.

Actually, the chances are that you'll struggle to find much common ground with IW, so if you are looking for a soulmate you might want to look elsewhere. It was Glorianny who brought her not this discussion as someone to be listened to, though, not any of the biological realists on the thread.

Honestly its impossible to explain IW s views, they are contradictory and well beyond explanation. IW has used colour of skin as an insult for both black and white. They are currently very cross about white women.

Rosie51 is there anything with a bit more context

I support refugees and don't want to follow someone who doesn't

There is another transwoman whose name I always forget namsnanny, holds similar views to Debbie Hayton but very funny as well. Name begins with B I think. The name will come to me.

Thank you, will have a look later

VioletSky

I don't know who India Willoughby is so I looked her up

I've seen her on TV before and didn't know she was trans

I will give her a follow and have a look

You won't find this clip on India's twitter feed. I did post it elsewhere, but it will give you a taste of how India views refugees.
twitter.com/Sadbh_like_Sive/status/1653038309155676160?s=20